Well lets offically hear it.

I'll start us off.

To offically shoot down that guns are the leading cause of death in murders is insane, and incorrect.

Guns, first off, do not kill people. People kill people. A person has to make a concious decision to pull the trigger in order to murder someone. Now some may say that giving someone a gun constitutes a means to kill someone, while this is true, people would kill others regardless. It takes alot of effort to go through the whole process of aquiring a gun, learning how to use it, and aquiring the money for it. Now one could just as easily take some fertlizer and deisel fuel and make something much more destructive than any gun. If someone wants to kill someone else, having a gun will not stop them.

Secondly, it is our constitutional right to bear arms. Point therein itself.

Third, if there were no guns, it would make people in the US who rely on hunting as either an income or a source of food have a very hard life.

If you even think about banning firearms, then you might as well ban cheddar cheese, because cholestoral is the leading cause of death in America.




Now while I do think that we have a right to bear arms, and that right shall not be infringed, I do think that there are some reasonable restrictions that can be made.

First, nobody needs to own a fully automatic weapon. The point of those is to lay down supressive fire in a time of war, not for killing a deer or protecting your house.

Second, I think it should be manditory that all pistols either A) Have a trigger lock, or B) be unloaded when a child under the age of 16 is around.

Third, I think it would be a good idea to require a mandatory gun safety class before being able to purchase a gun.

There you have it, most of my ideas on it.

Ghillie

Gun control in Australia sucks, you can't even own a crossbow without a license!
At least we're still allowed semi-automatic rifles, although its fairly hard to get a license for them. Pistols are still ok, but you can only have 10 rounds per clip at maximum!
Stupid anti-gun lobbyists and Port Arthur phsycopath...

port arthur... port arthur.... Where have I heard that before?


Ghillie

People take it that the gun causes death because it's what the person uses in order to intentionally injure or kill another, and we've grown accustomed to that; whenever we see a firearm in someone's hand we think to ourselves 'Watch out, he's got a gun' because a) it is dangerous when not handled properly, b) we've seen many shooting rampages on the news, mostly in the United states, and c) it is a weapon. Gun control? Limit it but banning guns alltogether would be rather unusual.

Limit it how though? Automatic weapons are already limited and that seems to be pleanty.


Ghillie

Well, for an example like your suggestions; the gun must be unloaded when around children under the age of 16, except if needed they could limit it even more if they ever need to.

Yes, putting some restrictions on how you handle the guns is ok, so long as it doesn't infringe on the right to own and use them.

Ghillie

Hmm yes good point there; anything that doesn't affect owning a firearm as a whole would be good.

Handling restrictions such as having a limited number of rounds in a clip? Age restrictions? Openly showing it in the public? Anything like that...

if guns get taken away then pretty soon crossbows and giant machedes will take their place and people would still kill people. i could see more violence coming from this rather then stopping it.

also, is anyone for the backround check?

That's true, not only does restricting ownership of a firearm do more damage then if you allow them, but look around - there are still a wide range of weapons and people will substitute to them.

Background checks are always a good thing. Also we have reasonable age restrictions and restrictions of showing it in public. As for the ronuds in the clip, I don't believe that is any of the governments business to control my ammunition. Yes we have a national gaurd, but what I want to have my own pretection from the government? That is what the people who founded our country died for.

Ghillie

Ghillie what makes you so sure they didn't Mean Bear Arms. As in an actual Bear. We have the right to have Bear Arms in our house. LOL. maybe

I say no to background checks. Just because someone made a mistake doesn't mean they get a right taken from them. Well, unless said person was arrested because of a gun related felony.

-The Sk

I will shoot someone before they take my guns away.

I fully agree with you ghillie, except that part about fully automatic rifles. I soemtimes go to the range and get to fire a wide variety of weapons, including fully automatic weapons.(Friends with the Police Chief) BUt eveything else makes perfect sense. Gun safety classes, and they should change it form owning a long gun at 18 and handgun at 21 to handgun and long gun at 21.

Good lord ghillie, I swear I you just posted my exact thoughts on this subject. I agree in every way possible. We don't need class III weapons. I own them and love them but from an honest perspective I honestly don't NEED a suppressor, their just fun. Amen.

Yeah Ghillie you pretty muched summed it up for us - IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS!

Hummm... damn... everyone agrees with me for one, that's a first. Haha.


Ghillie

Well yes because a) it's fine the way it is, b) I don't see people going around firing off rounds for no apparent reason and c) there's still alternative weapons and banning guns will result in people resorting to them.

So it's all good, not sure why whoever proposed it would want to put even more restrictions on firearms.

port arthur... port arthur.... Where have I heard that before?


Ghillie
Back a few decades ago, some phycopath in Tasmania (at the bottom of Australia) went out to a deli with a semiautomatic high caliber rifle and started blasting the shit out of people. he killed dozens and eventually borded himself up in a house and killed himself. That is one of the reasons why Australia has such tightass gun laws.

Back a few decades ago, some phycopath in Tasmania (at the bottom of Australia) went out to a deli with a semiautomatic high caliber rifle and started blasting the shit out of people. he killed dozens and eventually borded himself up in a house and killed himself. That is one of the reasons why Australia has such tightass gun laws.Ah yes, I remember reading about that now, all makes sence...

Ghillie

that would explain it perfectly...my grandparents visited there a couple of monthes back, and the tour guide at the start said "no questions please, we dont answer questions about what happend here, we only answer questions about the jail

Well, are the laws the same in Australia and America? America has way more shooting rampages then Australia does. Just like to know.

No, in Australia it's almost impossible to get a gun but in America, it makes it hella easy to get a gun.

Ghillie

Do you even know why the U.S has the lowest crime rate? Its because of gun control of why we have the lowest crime rate. I mean just think when a robber trys to rob a store, and with the constitution saying gun control in the U.S is allowed just think that the robber could possibly be stop because the clerk has a gun on him/her. Or how about that lonley girl in an alleyway with no one to help, but thankfully she has a gun on her and the guy who trys to rap her right then and there won't because she'll pull a gun on him. Therefore stopping him from doing so.

I mean just think of third world countrys that don't have gun control and thier crime rate is through the roof. You want to know why? It is because the people in third world countrys can not defend themselfs in various situations as rap/murder/robbery/theft/ect. Because you know that the police aren't there all the time, that would be impossible. :) , I hope you all just relize my points on this H3B's thread about gun control.

teh other problem about 3rd world countries is the level of tech there, they either walk around with nothing or AK47s...you kno?

Did you know that america has the record for the worlds youngest school shooting?
a 6 year old shot another 6 year old with a pistol he found at his uncle's/grandpa's house (not sure which), and she died a few minutes later. a week or so later, the NRA held a massive pro-gun rally in the same town, just as they did after the Columbine shootings.
As long as they dont take away my right to own a pistol, i'll be happy. I've seen a glock be turned into a sort of Carbine/machinegun, which emptied two drums of bullets in a few seconds. fucking amazing!

Wow HEX swore :D

Aiming at Borah's post above:

So you're saying that all kinds of defense should involve a gun? Is that supposed to be a good thing or bad thing?

O.K then but what about the parent who had left the gun out, you really think that is gun controls problem, I mean wouldn't you think that is the parents problem. So my point above would still have to stand about gun control, being a good thing that we should always have in our country. I mean anyone who went through everything to get a consild weapons license is not to likly to shoot someone out of mad rage. The people who shoot other people do it illegaly. :)

Here's the link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI

i want one!!

Oh, I thought he must have been referring to a hi-point. that's neat though

I agree with you guys. you have the right to own a gun just like we have rights to own swords, daggers, kitchen knives, and even pocketknives! all of these are tools and weapons but they are allowed. if you want to take away a gun, you may as well take away every chef's kitchen knives.

Or take away Krieger's hunting season...
Or take away the pistols the cops use and turn them into useless law enforcers...
Or take away ever soldier's gun so they run around in Iraq not knowing what to do because guns were banned...

See the backlashes?

you would have to take away lots of things because anything can become a weapon. knives are tools to make lives easier but they can also be used as a weapon. pencils are tools of creativity to write papers, draws pictures but they can also be used to stab classmates. you could even ban long fingernails. the list is endless.

but seriously, how would a nailclipper bring down an airplane?
they are banned from airplanes, and i dont know why. it is stupid.
terrorist "hey, you are under attack, i will cut off your nails if you dont obey us"
pilot "oh shit, they've got us now!"
terrorist "mwahahahaha, how could i have doubted this would work?"

seriously: why?

because you could have a blade on there...anyone seen the ones with the thingy u use to clean under ur finger nails? you could sharpen that up...umm and as for gun control, just look to japan. it is literaly impossible for a civillian to get a gun, and thus they dont have guns. so if america had done that from the begining, then we wouldnt have all this trouble...and yes we all know u have ur rights, but do those rights allow you to blow the head off of your next door neighbour?? no i didnt think so.

thats a good point. also, look at Canada. they have millions of guns, because they go hunting a lot. there are plenty of 'gun nuts' in Canada, and yet only a few hundred deaths from firearms per year.
America, millions of guns, lots of 'gun nuts', yet they have thousands of deaths per year from guns!
Australia, we have gun restrictions (no full auto rifles, no semiauto rifles of a certain calibre, no pump action shotguns (i think) and certainly no SMGs), we are not gun nuts, and we have less than 100 deaths a year from guns.
solution! be like us Aussies!!
laid back and cool :cool:

ok first of all, YES to everything hex said
second of all JESUS...ur aussie? where u live? i down south, in Adelaide

there are alot of aussie's on this site. anyway, it seems like we all agree on this i don't see any reason to continue this subject.

ok first of all, YES to everything hex said
second of all JESUS...ur aussie? where u live? i down south, in Adelaide
I live up in the Adelaide hills. cool, someone neari(ish) where i live! its a small world...
so much for inflation theory :D
And azn, you're quite right, this thread has sort of turned into "well, lets see how many variations of the same idea we can post before it gets boring"
So yeah, unless someone comes in saying "aww but guns are so cool we should all have Kalishnakovs!!" this debate is pretty much over.

It will be summed up following my incoming post...

These things should stay, nail clippers (I love that story you made HEX :D) plastic bags, knives, pretty much any kitchen appliance; If any of these are banned God knows what will happen next, and it would be a bit overboard to take such actions.

there are alot of aussie's on this site. anyway, it seems like we all agree on this i don't see any reason to continue this subject.

I agree points proven, we should come up with a different debate. Maybe??

illegal drugs?? for instance, there is one drug (i cant remember which now) which was banned because it was taking over from another form of crop, and the farmers of the second crop complaind...or so i hear...i cant remember exactly though...

Gun control = Bad.

The only exception is full auto weapons, those should be kept for military and law enforcement ONLY.

As for me (and I'm a gun-lovin' hillbilly), I like my guns. And, if the government tried to repeal the 2nd amendment, making it illegal for me to have my guns, I'd be pissed. Along with every redneck, hunter, and NRA member in the nation.

Guns can only be controlled so far. Even if a person cannot legally have a gun, they can get one. How do I know? I own two guns, at 16; a shotgun, and a rifle. Both for hunting, mind you, but I own them which is technically illegal.


I know the following things are illegal to own in the U.S.A.: Full-auto rifles/pistols (by pistols I'm referring to the Glock 18, SMGs, and rocket launchers are basically all that's banned. You can own semi-auto rifles, shotguns (pump, break, and auto), pistols, anything basically.,

And, one last point, I hate it when people group Americans together. I don't like being compared to some gang-banging thug in LA just because I own a gun, and love my guns. I say love my guns, because when I turn 21, I'm buying myself 2 pistols,and by that time I'll have another shotgun, and a muzzle loader. So, just because I have (or will have) some 6 or 7 pistols doesn't mean I'm gonna go out killing things...Well, things is incorrect. I use my shotgun and rifle to kill deer, squirrels, that kind of stuff, but not people!

yeah sure hunting is fine, but i still think that people can live without guns.. i again point to the people of japan. you can (this is a true story) leave your wallet/purse/money on a table at a resteraunt or something similar (open, public place) and come back 1/2 an hour later, it will still be there. people cross the road to avoid a wallet if they see it on the floor. where else in the world does this happen? NO WHERE! japan is one of the safest places to stay, so long as you stay out of the way of the Yakuza. although the Yakuza are dangerous and violent,they will stay out of your way if you stay out of theirs, so there not realy a threat.

I've heard that 90% of crimes in japan end up getting solved (and with good justice) as opposed to America where it is about 10%.
I live without guns, but i have my bow, which is cool. I want to do rifle shooting when i turn 18 though. Its fun.

I agree with Krieger's statement...
I live in an area where no guns are present. The only weapons I know of are switchblades, knives and pretty much bares fists, but the Government's not going to ban fists, but they ban the improper use of them :p

I want a gun. Maybe a pistol but something automatic...Krieger, are Uzi's banned?

They are in the US. I haven't a clue about where you're from.

Anything full auto is banned, by law. You could still get one, if you knew the right people, but it'd be illegal as all getout.

Well lets offically hear it.

I'll start us off.

To offically shoot down that guns are the leading cause of death in murders is insane, and incorrect.

Guns, first off, do not kill people. People kill people. A person has to make a concious decision to pull the trigger in order to murder someone. Now some may say that giving someone a gun constitutes a means to kill someone, while this is true, people would kill others regardless. It takes alot of effort to go through the whole process of aquiring a gun, learning how to use it, and aquiring the money for it. Now one could just as easily take some fertlizer and deisel fuel and make something much more destructive than any gun. If someone wants to kill someone else, having a gun will not stop them.

Secondly, it is our constitutional right to bear arms. Point therein itself.

Third, if there were no guns, it would make people in the US who rely on hunting as either an income or a source of food have a very hard life.

If you even think about banning firearms, then you might as well ban cheddar cheese, because cholestoral is the leading cause of death in America.




Now while I do think that we have a right to bear arms, and that right shall not be infringed, I do think that there are some reasonable restrictions that can be made.

First, nobody needs to own a fully automatic weapon. The point of those is to lay down supressive fire in a time of war, not for killing a deer or protecting your house.

Second, I think it should be manditory that all pistols either A) Have a trigger lock, or B) be unloaded when a child under the age of 16 is around.

Third, I think it would be a good idea to require a mandatory gun safety class before being able to purchase a gun.

There you have it, most of my ideas on it.

Ghillie

Exactly...I don't even know how someone could get a full-automatic gun.

you can modify certain semi-auto ones, or just get it off the black market...yes i kno about this, my dad has a whole bunch of Role Playing Game books, some of which are about modern day weapons.

Its a piece of metal the size of a quarter boys. if your caught even possessing it its 200,000 dollar fine and 10 yr in jail MANDATORY. You could go into your garage and make the part its that simple. you can make even a pistol full auto with ease.

In Australia, full auto is definately illegal. The fastest reloading weapon i have is a pump action .22 rifle, which was made in the '30s.
A pistol is good, it is semiautomatic, and i'm sure it cant be illegal to make one into a Carbine...
But really, who needs automatic weapons?

wannabe militants and terrorists. which is exactly why they are illegal.

In Australia, full auto is definately illegal. The fastest reloading weapon i have is a pump action .22 rifle, which was made in the '30s.
A pistol is good, it is semiautomatic, and i'm sure it cant be illegal to make one into a Carbine...
But really, who needs automatic weapons?
If you mean a .22 pistol, there's one made that comes optional (with and additional cost, of course) with a carbine kit to give it a should stock and a longer barrel. And, that can be taken off and it can be used as a plinking pistol.

It's made by Beretta and is called the U22 Neos.

I don't think anybody NEEDS full auto, exception being military, but semi-auto can be very fun when you have lots of land that you can just go out shooting.

cool, i want that pistol!
then i can buy a Macbook Air, and shoot it! :D
whats a plinking pistol?

cool, i want that pistol!
then i can buy a Macbook Air, and shoot it! :D
whats a plinking pistol?

a plinking pistol or rifle is just your classic gun that you would use to shoot cans or just shooting for casual fun. lol, there's this guy at my shooting range who brings a 22. pistol and wears combat gloves, combat goggles, camouflage pants, black under armor, a camel back, and combat boots. He's like 63 and fat. lol

a plinking pistol or rifle is just your classic gun that you would use to shoot cans or just shooting for casual fun. lol, there's this guy at my shooting range who brings a 22. pistol and wears combat gloves, combat goggles, camouflage pants, black under armor, a camel back, and combat boots. He's like 63 and fat. lol Does anybody else know what I refer to when I say "mall ninja"?

ummm..................no.

i am about to share my knoweledge with all of you!!!quiet!!!!

*ahem*
guns dont kill people!!!!..........husbands who come home early do!

Guns dont kill people, its people who kill people!
See, you only die of you think the bullet will kill you! That is why Flood arent affected by Sniper rounds; they dont think. if they dont think, then the round just passes straight through them. You're avaredge human, however, knows that a rifle round will blow their head off, and so when they are shot their head explodes!
Try and find the faulty logic :D

well caboose...animals dont know, yet they still get killed by guns...also i just like to say that guns should only be used as a LAST RESORT!

yes....last resort as in use it when you are in a fight with 6 or 7 dudes who weigh 500 pounds in muscle
so i will keep my pimp-gun with me at all time
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj317/jasminerhl/gun.jpg

yes....last resort as in use it when you are in a fight with 6 or 7 dudes who weigh 500 pounds in muscle
so i will keep my pimp-gun with me at all time
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj317/jasminerhl/gun.jpg
if you got into some crap you should carry a .22 cal revolver(you'd better get a concealed handgun license first). my history teacher carries a 9 millimeter pistol with him everywhere he goes(except school, and other government buildings)

yeah, and that's not being paranoid!!
i dont carry a weapon with me, and if i got attacked by people i know i would need to rethink my lifes choices to see where i'd gone wrong... then beat the shit out of them :D

those tings sare me....getting jumped.... if only i knew a martial art!!! my friend's friend takes a crazy fighting class thats all killing moves!!!no stunning!!just killing moves!!! the name in chinese is like...erhm.... "death-fighting" or something! his sensei can take his flat hand.... when your hand is flat....and he hits concrete walls with his finger-tips as hard as he can and he doesnt feel a thing!!! and he can take out my friend's friend in less than 5 seconds!!! and those kids that can punch though bricks and planks....they punch his finger tips when his hand is flat...and nothing happens!!! i soooo wanna learn that!

See, a .22 is underpowered, in my opinion, for defensive purposes. But, if it's that or a pocket knife, I'd opt for the .22.

Now, on to what you consider paranoia. Y'all call carrying everyday and everwhere paranoid?

Guess what I'll be doing soon as I turn 21? I'll be getting a CCW, and a Colt 1911 A1 Government in .45 ACP. That baby'll be on my hip WHEREVER I go. (except, of course, the places where it's illegal. Then I'll leave it in the truck.)

See, a .22 is underpowered, in my opinion, for defensive purposes. But, if it's that or a pocket knife, I'd opt for the .22.

Now, on to what you consider paranoia. Y'all call carrying everyday and everwhere paranoid?

Guess what I'll be doing soon as I turn 21? I'll be getting a CCW, and a Colt 1911 A1 Government in .45 ACP. That baby'll be on my hip WHEREVER I go. (except, of course, the places where it's illegal. Then I'll leave it in the truck.)
Aww, the Colt 1911. Very good weapon. I ( ym family) has a Colt 1945. First time I shot it damn near broke my hand (exageration I know, I mean that it is more powerful than other's I have fired).

But Gun control is very needed. a man bought an AK47 in Maryland and opened fire on a CIA building a few days later. That man should not have been able to have bought that gun, they said (on the show) that he ahd a criminal history, but yet he was able to buy a gun.

I think Gun Control limits the 2nd amendment. But it's really needed. Some laws must be limited I guess.

See, a .22 is underpowered, in my opinion, for defensive purposes. But, if it's that or a pocket knife, I'd opt for the .22.

Now, on to what you consider paranoia. Y'all call carrying everyday and everwhere paranoid?

Guess what I'll be doing soon as I turn 21? I'll be getting a CCW, and a Colt 1911 A1 Government in .45 ACP. That baby'll be on my hip WHEREVER I go. (except, of course, the places where it's illegal. Then I'll leave it in the truck.)

I'd be too scared to carry a 1911 in single action. Just the psychological affect of nothing but a thumb safety and single action trigger protecting your legs is a turn off. The Para LDA's however are fantastic 1911's that are the closest you get to single action yet not double action. Mucho dolores though. 1911's are the shiz

I'd be too scared to carry a 1911 in single action. Just the psychological affect of nothing but a thumb safety and single action trigger protecting your legs is a turn off. The Para LDA's however are fantastic 1911's that are the closest you get to single action yet not double action. Mucho dolores though. 1911's are the shiz
Ah, my friend, it's called buying the proper holster. Do that and ya have 0 problems.


But Gun control is very needed. a man bought an AK47 in Maryland and opened fire on a CIA building a few days later. That man should not have been able to have bought that gun, they said (on the show) that he ahd a criminal history, but yet he was able to buy a gun.

I don't know about other states, but here in Michigan, there's a mandatory 3-week waiting period and background check. any red flags and they deny your purchase, unless of course you buy from a private owner (which I did). I'm not saying I'm against gun control, but I'm not for it.

I'm a heavy 2nd-amendment supporter, but some things should be limited. ie, no full-autos, no AP rounds, anybody with a criminal background (unless it's something reallllllly minor like a few traffic violations) shouldn't be allowed to have guns, and similar things. Law abiding citizens, like myself and all of us here, shouldn't be hindered any by the laws because (I hope) we would have no intentions of misusing the guys we purchase.

Ah, my friend, it's called buying the proper holster. Do that and ya have 0 problems.


It's all psychological for me even if I had it in a mini safe in my pants. That much power that close to my pouch o' marbles.... the horror...

Just gotta know how to handle it and use it.,

Just gotta know how to handle it and use it.,

lol, you don't need to tell me that. I'm 2nd in florida limited division junior class with my Springfield trophymatch 1911. I know how to handle one.

lol, you don't need to tell me that. I'm 2nd in florida limited division junior class with my Springfield trophymatch 1911. I know how to handle one.
Nice, dude. If I had the money to get a gun and practice with it, I'd get into competition shooting.

That and my parents won't let me...it's lame.

And, I had to say that since you said you'd be scared to carry a Colt 1911 because it's single action and has a thumb safety. I like both of those things, I might add.

that seems like a badaased gun..... but the only hand held weapon for me is a revolver........ and a hand-cannon... (its a revolver which has an extended barrel and can blow a hole into someone about the size of a golfball ) (i could be wrong...but it does do serious damage)
hers a picture of the two
revolver:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/BxAlboFenom/revolver.jpg

hand cannon:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/machoo7/handcannon.jpg

if i had these on my hip...NOBODY could stand in my way...but id learn how to masterfully shoot it and handle it first. maybe have one as a detective or something....or in the marines!!! W00T marines!!!

Problem with revolvers is you have a very limited amount of shots. Usually 5, 6, or 8. And they're very slow to reload.

A semi-auto, however, holds many more rounds per magazine, and the magazine's are very quick to reload.

For example, a Kimber-made, 1911 style pistol has 11 round magazine, which, when done by a seasoned shooter, can be reloaded in a second or less.

Problem with revolvers is you have a very limited amount of shots. Usually 5, 6, or 8. And they're very slow to reload.

A semi-auto, however, holds many more rounds per magazine, and the magazine's are very quick to reload.

For example, a Kimber-made, 1911 style pistol has 11 round magazine, which, when done by a seasoned shooter, can be reloaded in a second or less.

Once I'm married Ima get my wife some kind of titanium revolver considering their easy to use and reliable.

Gun control great. :)

hand cannon nonetheless takes out acouple people in one shot...it can go through one dude into another..... and if you practriced at it and hd another type of gun on your side...you can have one badass crazy gun and another easily reloadable weapon to use while you reload.....

and to think this thread is about gun controll!!! :)

heres my take on guns

i'd rather be killed by this.
http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/shoots/uzitalk2004/girl3.jpg

then to be killed by this
http://bill-hay.com/Lanyard/images/thumb.JPG

stabbings don't go too well and it mostly takes multiple stabs to kill someone. i would rather take 10 bullets, then 10 stabs anywhere.

heres my take on guns

i'd rather be killed by this.
http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/shoots/uzitalk2004/girl3.jpg

then to be killed by this
http://bill-hay.com/Lanyard/images/thumb.JPG

stabbings don't go too well and it mostly takes multiple stabs to kill someone. i would rather take 10 bullets, then 10 stabs anywhere.
i woulkdnt...machette i can fight back...but god damned turret no way in hell thats painless...seems like having 550 nails hammered into you at once....

i would HATE to be killed by this (and as an official bitch-slap if it landed right on top of you or right beside you):
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii198/susandenise64/explosion.jpg

idk guns for shit, but i thought that thing would kill me like in rambo. as soon as he pulls the trigger i would just burst and hopefully die instantly.

i woulkdnt...machette i can fight back...but god damned turret no way in hell thats painless...seems like having 550 nails hammered into you at once....

i would HATE to be killed by this (and as an official bitch-slap if it landed right on top of you or right beside you):
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii198/susandenise64/explosion.jpg
You'd never know it, if that hapened. You'd be vaporized instantly.

idk guns for shit, but i thought that thing would kill me like in rambo. as soon as he pulls the trigger i would just burst and hopefully die instantly.
well....movies tend to overly exagerate the effects of some things...... especially guns. you wouldnt burst....it would deliver 40 bullets into you in about 14 miliseconds....and if you unlucky and you dont die once the 40th got into you...you would have your insides shredded and blod gushing out of everywhere and choke n your own blood..... so a brief summary..... hollywood lies and if you were shot by that....it would sooooo suck to be you.

I think it would really suck to be shot by any weapon lol.

I agree definitely that it should be limited but not to have firearms taken away.
What happens when no innocent guy can get a gun to protect himself? I'm pretty sure that murderer isn't going to let the law stop him from getting a gun...
If guns were banned altogether the crime rate of assaults with a firearm would skyrocket.

I myself am not too paranoid but I definitely plan to buy a gun and get a permit as soon as I can.

I already own two guns, and they way criminals are moving, it wouldn't surprise me if the US tried to repeal that 2nd Amendment...

And let me tell you, if that happened, I'd live by this saying: "You can take my gun from me, when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."

If they do that, or if there's ever a revolution against the government, you can bet I'll be there. Pistol at my side, rifle in my hands, and shotgun on my back.

I already own two guns, and they way criminals are moving, it wouldn't surprise me if the US tried to repeal that 2nd Amendment...

And let me tell you, if that happened, I'd live by this saying: "You can take my gun from me, when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."

If they do that, or if there's ever a revolution against the government, you can bet I'll be there. Pistol at my side, rifle in my hands, and shotgun on my back.

Man if they did that there would be mass rebellion indeed.

except.....the gobernment have AA guns , dragon guns , m4s , desert eagles , grenades , mines , missiles , ak47s, napalm , and alot of numbers....

and we have hame made grnades , pipe bombs , moltolv cocktails , hand held firearms , and maybe like 5 m4s...

so we'd be screwed!!!

except.....the gobernment have AA guns , dragon guns , m4s , desert eagles , grenades , mines , missiles , ak47s, napalm , and alot of numbers....

and we have hame made grnades , pipe bombs , moltolv cocktails , hand held firearms , and maybe like 5 m4s...

so we'd be screwed!!!

that's not the point. the point is that we're willing to die for our right to defend our lives and the lives of our loved ones.

i believe in that too! hell if i could...id be on the front lines leading the fight!!!

fact is... theres no use wasting able bodies trying to fight somehting with out a plan!! you think running out there and getting millions killed is going to change the minds of the government?

it wont. our government kills anybody it wants to without remourse...then they blame it on somebody else....

im just saying that we would have to make plans if we were going to take on the government.

You won't have to worry about this thread if obama wins. He'll try to change the constitution, and take away our nations rights. What do you all think about that?

How would our foundingfathers feel?

Just think before you post^

Gun control good. Amendments, constitution, bill of rights, all of that is meant to help us, and you should never take it for granted!

except.....the gobernment have AA guns , dragon guns , m4s , desert eagles , grenades , mines , missiles , ak47s, napalm , and alot of numbers....

and we have hame made grnades , pipe bombs , moltolv cocktails , hand held firearms , and maybe like 5 m4s...

so we'd be screwed!!!
actually they dont have aks, i dont think theyve ever used em...now they use P90s...and the aussie army use SARs...i think...i forget...

I thought you couldnt change the constitution without a majority vote in the congress?

hes probably gonna do the same thing cheyney and bush did....... mke it so abunch of democrats got into congress so that thier plans would never fail.

actually they dont have aks, i dont think theyve ever used em...now they use P90s...and the aussie army use SARs...i think...i forget...
Our military, our being US, doesn't P90s, at least not if you're talking about the P90 SMG I think you're talkimng about. Even though they have a massive ammo capactiy, they're slow and cumbersome to reload.

TEH, you're correct, it takes a majority, if not unanimous, vote in Congress to amend the Constitution. But, politicians don't always voice what the people want, so....yeah....

And, the sheer number of armed rednecks would cause somwething to go right for them. Armed with rifles and shotguns pickin' folks off from 400 yards away...until the Marine snipers showed up...

or we shoot missiles at the south....had it coming to them sooner or later.

Yeah cause we need MORE random stupid wars...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE

This is hillarious.

Our military, our being US, doesn't P90s, at least not if you're talking about the P90 SMG I think you're talkimng about. Even though they have a massive ammo capactiy, they're slow and cumbersome to reload.

TEH, you're correct, it takes a majority, if not unanimous, vote in Congress to amend the Constitution. But, politicians don't always voice what the people want, so....yeah....

And, the sheer number of armed rednecks would cause somwething to go right for them. Armed with rifles and shotguns pickin' folks off from 400 yards away...until the Marine snipers showed up...
yes i was talkin bout the p90 SMG, i didnt know what they were usin, but i knew it was more up to date then an AK...what are they using these days, or is that too clasiffied?

actually they dont have aks, i dont think theyve ever used em...now they use P90s...and the aussie army use SARs...i think...i forget...
No, I think us Aussies use the Steyr AUG, which is an ubercool gun!

I thought you couldnt change the constitution without a majority vote in the congress?

TEH, you can change it will a popular vote.

But yeah just go to youtube, and type in obama debate.

It will probly make you mad though. :(

Yeah cause we need MORE random stupid wars...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE

This is hillarious.
it took me awhile to realize what they were talking about...then i realized "omfg!!ahahaha! theyre talking about iraque!!!rofl!"......then "focus on our new product....the iRAN!!"

ok that was good.....really good.

....imagine if we had a war with france (daydreams and smiles)

yes i was talkin bout the p90 SMG, i didnt know what they were usin, but i knew it was more up to date then an AK...what are they using these days, or is that too clasiffied?
Our military's standard issue rifle is the same as it has been since 1962, it's just modified. We mainly use the M16A2 rifle and it's varients, like the M4.

SMG wise, most teams use guns like HKs MP5.

desert eagles should be the standard sidearm

desert eagles should be the standard sidearm

naw, I think the S&W M&P 40 should. Good caliber with good capacity.

i think we should have our issued sidearms be effective...on shot one kill if you know what i mean

i think we should have our issued sidearms be effective...on shot one kill if you know what i mean

Your basing you desert eagle opinion off of what youv seen in movies and COD4.

no not really......

i just think its good weapon...... id say handcannon is too powerfull even for the military.. so desert eagle would work....

(plz dont flame me for this)
i saw airsoft desert eagle and they have big bullets so if they base airsoft weps on real weps than d.e. have big bullets...big bullet=bigger impact=easier death

no not really......

i just think its good weapon...... id say handcannon is too powerfull even for the military.. so desert eagle would work....

(plz dont flame me for this)
i saw airsoft desert eagle and they have big bullets so if they base airsoft weps on real weps than d.e. have big bullets...big bullet=bigger impact=easier death

So accuracy, precision, and handling don't matter much?

caboose, i just need to say this...

airosoft sucks compared to paintball. hey wait! that supports the gun argumeant! if they get rid of guns, they may as well take away paintball and airsoft too? it's basically the same thing.

its all fun and games before somebody gives themselves a manicure using a paintball gun!! (rofl..painting nails....hmmmm..... extreme nail-painting..might make a good t.v. show)

airsoft is like real atmy shiznat...... you can tell paintbal guns arent real god rofl...and paintball is only faster and messier and more painfull......thus its better...

but u have more fun with airsoft...sooo many possibilities....

guns R PHUN

it's just that us paintballers think airsoft is the pansy versin of our sport. no offense.

Yeah..... Id Like To Get Into Paintball But Most My Frendz Into Airsoft Kuz It Hurts...just Doesnt Fudge Up Anything Expensive Like Shirts Or Shoes Or Hats Or Jewelry....and We Play In The Streets Kuz Its Fun

that's why you get paintball jerseys. they are meant for it. and paintball paint is washable.


by the way, we play in the woods. cuz my favorite place to play relocated. still haven't got in trouble!

but still.... and btw i love playing in the woods!!!i go FULL army style out there!! i have a nack for hiding in great places...then shooting my enimies if the venture closer....and ...actually ill explain

this one time my frend bought a new high powered rifle and wanted to use it...so we went into this woodsy place... he gave me this crappy old on... but i likes it...i hid in a bush.... (i had a black little cock-to-shoot one and my frend got a rifle with scope , lazer aim , long range , and flashlight) and so i hid in a bush..but he saw me and started unloading (didnt hit me kuz i moved too fast) and so i ran out into a lower area and he followed blasting away... i dodged it all...some would have panicked and gave up....i simply ran abit faster to give myself more hiding time....so i did that and dove to the left rel fast into a small tree (under the tree leaves blaccking me from sight)....he crept up in front of me and aimed right thinking i turned right and ran.... then at point blanc i fired twice into his leg..hit him in the same spot!!! (kuz when i hid i heard him telling his dad that as soon as i shot him once that he wouls say he gave up...then he would shoot me in the back..... little snake..... and we had a 2-shot death limit.. so i shot him twice..... i won and he got mad rofl...he tried to shoot me in the back when i was far away in the parking lot getting into the car....missed obviousely...hes a bad shot! i need better players!

but yeah..thats my story lol..... ill open a forum so ppl can talk about airsoft or paintball stories! itll be fun!

awesome idea and.... wait a second. WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PLAYING IN THE WOODS? *cough cough* *sweat*


don't quote it caboose.

dont understand ur post anyway.... think your hippie weed is to strong for you....

or stay in high ground with abunch of turrets and food and a helicopter.... and abunch of steel locked door...and a you are on the roof and a big steel sliding locked door separating you from the other bottom levels......

Desert Eagle and M&P .40s are good guns, but not suitable for our military. They're too expensive for the number of troops we have to issue them to. Well, the Deagles are.

The M&P .40s, .45s, and 9mms would be good. I mean, they're meant for the military, so it'd be alright. I hope the military decides to go back to the .45 ACP, that was a specatular round and much more powerful than the wimpy 9mm we use today.,

Another good one would be the Taurus 24/7 OST in .45 ACP. It's another gun designed for military and law enforcment, and it took a beating in the testing they gave it.

is a dragon gun even issued in war anymore?

No, I think us Aussies use the Steyr AUG, which is an ubercool gun!
thats it..i forgot what it was called (im good at that :S) anyway..yeah...Steyrs are awsome...specially coz they can be quickly modified to become different varients (sniper, lmg etc...)

Our military's standard issue rifle is the same as it has been since 1962, it's just modified. We mainly use the M16A2 rifle and it's varients, like the M4.

SMG wise, most teams use guns like HKs MP5.

realy? well...learn something new everyday...

Desert Eagle and M&P .40s are good guns, but not suitable for our military. They're too expensive for the number of troops we have to issue them to. Well, the Deagles are.

The M&P .40s, .45s, and 9mms would be good. I mean, they're meant for the military, so it'd be alright. I hope the military decides to go back to the .45 ACP, that was a specatular round and much more powerful than the wimpy 9mm we use today.,

Another good one would be the Taurus 24/7 OST in .45 ACP. It's another gun designed for military and law enforcment, and it took a beating in the testing they gave it.

No, we need .55 calibre Semi-explosive Tungsten Armour Peircing rounds!
Fire them from a pistol with an extended barrel, and it is a definate 1 shot 1 kill! it could probably even stop a truck!
:D
If ya'll dont like my idea, then just wait until i have my own private army!

I'm sorry HEX, but that is a bad idea, at least right now. Tungsten-carbide cored AP rounds are incredibly expensive and difficult to make. We only have for the big .50s.

And, I'm not sure, but I think the Steyr you guys mentioned might be an expiremental model the US was working with. I saw a quick, sneak-peek kinda deal, those guns looked sweet.

The other experimental gun that they made public was the XM-29, that things pretty awesome. It fires standard 5.56 NATO from on barrel, but can also fire 20mm HE rounds. and the scope it has can make those HE rounds detonate after a certain distance or entering a room, or going over a bunker.

isnt it fun to live in the u.s.!?!?!?!??!!

And, I'm not sure, but I think the Steyr you guys mentioned might be an expiremental model the US was working with. I saw a quick, sneak-peek kinda deal, those guns looked sweet.

The other experimental gun that they made public was the XM-29, that things pretty awesome. It fires standard 5.56 NATO from on barrel, but can also fire 20mm HE rounds. and the scope it has can make those HE rounds detonate after a certain distance or entering a room, or going over a bunker.
no sirree, Steyrs have been out for a while, 1977 to be precise, and their being used by the Aussie diggers in Iraq...and they are Austrian...eres the site for those realy interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_Aug

Aww, but imagine how powerful would a .55 Semi-explosive Tungsten AP round be!!
you could shoot through walls; through entire buildings, probably!

And yes, the Steyr AUG has been around for ages, and it is a great gun. Australia has used it since 1985, i think.
It fires 5.56 Nato standard rounds, or the 9x19mm parabellum for the SMG variant.

yeah was about then

The U.S=the best with gun control. :)

this is U.S.A.'s answer for gun controll "guns dont kill people..... husbands who come home early do" (im in the u.s......woohoo!)

Guns don't kill people, people ARMED with guns do. It's the people that kill, the gun is merely a tool. How it is used varies from person to person. Take myself for example. I own numerous guns, and am I a killer of humans? God no. Some gangbanger in LA does, but not every American!

but by the same right ppl should be allowed to own nuclear devices...its not the devices that kill ppl, the ppl using them kill ppl..but then i spose theres no use for nuclear devices other than killing ppl...

no, but what if you wanted to dig a realy big hole?? :D

but by the same right ppl should be allowed to own nuclear devices...its not the devices that kill ppl, the ppl using them kill ppl..but then i spose theres no use for nuclear devices other than killing ppl...
Haven't you noticed that despite all the nuclear capabilities countries have, they never used them. Both sides (whether they admit it or not) tried every way they could diplomatically to avoid using them after seeing the destruction they did to Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Basically, all people in the world want to avoid ever using those again. The next time a nuke gets fired, in my opinion, it will be the start of the nuclear apocalypse that I think will be the end of the human race.

Guns don't kill people, people ARMED with guns do. It's the people that kill, the gun is merely a tool. How it is used varies from person to person. Take myself for example. I own numerous guns, and am I a killer of humans? God no. Some gangbanger in LA does, but not every American!

Great point, I think you go into some extreme details which is great for a Debate, I think this thread has definatly crossed towards the Gun Control in America.

If you all would like my real opinion on this thread please look back to my older post. :)

I back Gun Control to the fullest.

Great point, I think you go into some extreme details which is great for a Debate, I think this thread has definatly crossed towards the Gun Control in America.

If you all would like my real opinion on this thread please look back to my older post. :)

I back Gun Control to the fullest.
Gun control is NOT good, at least not in my opinion. But, I'm a gun-loving,hunting redneck! I couldn't live without my guns!

Gun control is NOT good, at least not in my opinion. But, I'm a gun-loving,hunting redneck! I couldn't live without my guns!

Gun control is good I mean do I really have to reffer back to my old post?

Do you even know why the U.S has the lowest crime rate? Its because of gun control of why we have the lowest crime rate. I mean just think when a robber trys to rob a store, and with the constitution saying gun control in the U.S is allowed just think that the robber could possibly be stop because the clerk has a gun on him/her. Or how about that lonley girl in an alleyway with no one to help, but thankfully she has a gun on her and the guy who trys to rap her right then and there won't because she'll pull a gun on him. Therefore stopping him from doing so.

I mean just think of third world countrys that don't have gun control and thier crime rate is through the roof. You want to know why? It is because the people in third world countrys can not defend themselfs in various situations as rap/murder/robbery/theft/ect. Because you know that the police aren't there all the time, that would be impossible. , I hope you all just relize my points on this H3B's thread about gun control.

My old opinion^, you should know this is also another example.

O.K then but what about the parent who had left the gun out, you really think that is gun controls problem, I mean wouldn't you think that is the parents problem. So my point above would still have to stand about gun control, being a good thing that we should always have in our country. I mean anyone who went through everything to get a consild weapons license is not to likly to shoot someone out of mad rage. The people who shoot other people do it illegaly.

There this is what I really think about gun control.

My bad, I misread. I thought you said you were AGAINST gun control.

And, I'll be that guy in the store the robber tries to rob.

As I said before, when I'm 21 I'm getting a CCW and a 1911 A1 Gov't in .45 ACP

My bad, I misread. I thought you said you were AGAINST gun control.

And, I'll be that guy in the store the robber tries to rob.

As I said before, when I'm 21 I'm getting a CCW and a 1911 A1 Gov't in .45 ACP

what manufacturer would you prefer?

i prefer smith and weston (or is it weson?)

no I'm referring to Krieger. What 1911 manufacturer do you fancy for a 1911, Krieger?

oh...ok then.... yeah! which do you prefer?

Gun control is good I mean do I really have to reffer back to my old post?

Do you even know why the U.S has the lowest crime rate? Its because of gun control of why we have the lowest crime rate. I mean just think when a robber trys to rob a store, and with the constitution saying gun control in the U.S is allowed just think that the robber could possibly be stop because the clerk has a gun on him/her. Or how about that lonley girl in an alleyway with no one to help, but thankfully she has a gun on her and the guy who trys to rap her right then and there won't because she'll pull a gun on him. Therefore stopping him from doing so.

I mean just think of third world countrys that don't have gun control and thier crime rate is through the roof. You want to know why? It is because the people in third world countrys can not defend themselfs in various situations as rap/murder/robbery/theft/ect. Because you know that the police aren't there all the time, that would be impossible. , I hope you all just relize my points on this H3B's thread about gun control.

There this is what I really think about gun control.

Well, in Australia you cant carry guns around in public areas, and do wehave a massive crimerate? No. How many deaths by gun shootings/accidents do we have per year? less than 80!
We have very stringent gun control, and it works. Also, we are a mostly laid-back country, so we dont have an army of rapists that girls need hadguns to fend off.
In other words; do as we do! :)

Malicious Nun, I've considered many, but made no final choices yet. I'm thinking about a Colt, S&W, or Springfield Armory, or maybe a Kimber. I think I once saw an add for a Kimber 1911 that had an 11+1 capacity. That'd be awesome. But I'm not sure which I'm gonna go with yet.

Well, in Australia you cant carry guns around in public areas, and do wehave a massive crimerate? No. How many deaths by gun shootings/accidents do we have per year? less than 80!
We have very stringent gun control, and it works. Also, we are a mostly laid-back country, so we dont have an army of rapists that girls need hadguns to fend off.
In other words; do as we do! :)

For one do even know your own population density?

You don't have enough people.

Gun control is a good thing, and if you lived where I do you would consider it too.

My bad, I misread. I thought you said you were AGAINST gun control.

And, I'll be that guy in the store the robber tries to rob.

As I said before, when I'm 21 I'm getting a CCW and a 1911 A1 Gov't in .45 ACP

Thank you for seeing my point. :)

borah , plz no double posting... mods have enough stress.

and i agree.... in california..i wouldnt blmae ppl having guns... (no racism or sexism.) most ppl get shot by gang wars (bloods , crips , cholos , rollers , etc.) and angry white kids.... (im white and im a guy...so plz dont be mad at me..its the truth) its all over the news...but do i believe it should be outlawed? hell no! if they outlaw it , NORE ppl will have guns! white teenagers think its badass to break the law! i should know! my high school has abunch of ppl breaking laws!

but as for me...i wont have a gun until i move out of my parent's house (again...im in high school) but only incase of zombie threat and/or columbine or something happens at my school...you know...to protect myself.

When i move out of house, i will get a pistol, a shotgun and a few rifles. When i am 18, however, i will fit my dad's rifle with a proper scope and take up target shooting.

id rather be a cop , detective , cereal killer (not THAT way! i mean breakfast cereal! geez) , or offer my talents for them to use me as a secret agent (lol)

When i move out of house, i will get a pistol, a shotgun and a few rifles. When i am 18, however, i will fit my dad's rifle with a proper scope and take up target shooting.
There's were I'm lucky. I already own both a rifle and a shotgun, and I'm looking into buying another shotgun and a muzzleloader. And fitting all of them with scopes. Red dot-style scope for one shotgun, rifle scopes on the second shotgun and muzzleloader, and a pistol scope on the rifle I own now. Yay!

If I could put a red dot on my remington I'd buy a doctor if they weren't so expensive. I actually know the owner of doctor optics.

ah! my grandfather has about 3 or 4 shotguns , and a friken winchester!!! dont know if it still works...but its mounted (perched...or balanced on two small antlers... its been in the family i think.... looks like it would explode if you shoot it rofl. winchester and handcannon would be the best combo)

I'd skip the Winchester and go for something like a Savage bolt-action for the long-range stuff, and a fast shooting, hard-hitting 12-gauge for the close end work.

And, to MN, I'm thinking about putting either an Aim-Dot or Trijicon sights on my 20-gauge.

deagle or handcannon for me lol...either one blows a good-sized hole into someone.

and winchester is badasss enough lol

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=1

That's the gun I hope to get. 1911-A1 gov't model. Standard low-pro military sights, 7+1 capacity. Whoo, good gun...

i particulary like smith and weston (or is it wesson?) made guns....

it's wesson

its pronounces "wesson" nbut when i first saw and later saw guns from there...tey spell it "weston"

its pronounces "wesson" nbut when i first saw and later saw guns from there...tey spell it "weston"
okay...not what i've seen.

oh, well, does it matter?

nope...just matters that :
1. your gun works
2: your dumb ass doesnt hold the gun facing the wrong way and fire ^^

nope...just matters that :
1. your gun works
2: your dumb ass doesnt hold the gun facing the wrong way and fire ^^
roflmao..........don't forget that you need to put a bullet in the end closest to the stock, not the other end.

SURE AS HELL dont buy this gun!
to protect yourself with!!
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f273/lovesmesumwaffles/revolver.jpg

lol, give it to your enemy for their birthday!

hehehe...then tell him to go practice with it rofl

maybe if they are a dumb a and a half :P

i wouldnt doubt southerners of making that mistake. nothing mean about it...but alot of stupid things happen in the south...oh wait!! no! the most stupid shit happens in california!

borah , plz no double posting... mods have enough stress.

and i agree.... in california..i wouldnt blmae ppl having guns... (no racism or sexism.) most ppl get shot by gang wars (bloods , crips , cholos , rollers , etc.) and angry white kids.... (im white and im a guy...so plz dont be mad at me..its the truth) its all over the news...but do i believe it should be outlawed? hell no! if they outlaw it , NORE ppl will have guns! white teenagers think its badass to break the law! i should know! my high school has abunch of ppl breaking laws!

but as for me...i wont have a gun until i move out of my parent's house (again...im in high school) but only incase of zombie threat and/or columbine or something happens at my school...you know...to protect myself.

There you go I mean take a look at population density in cali. It is way out there, and all the new people showing up there for the beaches pay grades and everything else.

we should stop worrying about gun control! its just a distration by the government to try to divert our attention from the iraq soldiers not back yet and the fact that bush had abunch of REPUBLICAN people voted into office so that his laws werent opposed most of the time!

gun controll is great the way it is. the only thing they should change is not allowing parents with teenaged kida buy guns or let any kid into a gun shop. or at least install unbreakable safes for the guns!!! i mean! on kid gets bullied and then realises his dad's gun could kill that other kid who bullied him..then he shoots the other kids and everyone blames the parents... IS THERE NO BRAINS IN THE PARENTS!?!?!? its the kid's fault..not the mom or dad's..there should be a kid-controll law... beat your kids when they do somehting horrible! (not badly...like a backhand or somehting subtle) so they know its wrong and will never do it again! and for god's sake! dont keep an open gun laying around the house!!put it in a secret safe!

we should stop worrying about gun control! its just a distration by the government to try to divert our attention from the iraq soldiers not back yet and the fact that bush had abunch of REPUBLICAN people voted into office so that his laws werent opposed most of the time!

gun controll is great the way it is. the only thing they should change is not allowing parents with teenaged kida buy guns or let any kid into a gun shop. or at least install unbreakable safes for the guns!!! i mean! on kid gets bullied and then realises his dad's gun could kill that other kid who bullied him..then he shoots the other kids and everyone blames the parents... IS THERE NO BRAINS IN THE PARENTS!?!?!? its the kid's fault..not the mom or dad's..there should be a kid-controll law... beat your kids when they do somehting horrible! (not badly...like a backhand or somehting subtle) so they know its wrong and will never do it again! and for god's sake! dont keep an open gun laying around the house!!put it in a secret safe!

lol, Caboose you arn't just acting like a smart alik....Hum, I do agree to a point, but with the facinating number of new members to this thread I think it should stay open as long as it is this active. :)

stop blaming the parents! like they dont have ennough to worry about! not only did their kid kill people and probably killed himself/herself...now the media is blaming the parents!!! geez!

you really are freaking hilarious.

is that sarcasm? or did you find humor in that?

anyway... guns are awesome as long as troubled white kids dont get their homicidal hands on them

oh i understand people thinking im an idiot because of my comedy and stupidity... but im quite intelectual. i just dont use it when i dont have to... lol talk to vkx and hippie...they tasted the cold steel of my intellegence during the "7 steps to world domination" thread :p

but anyway. as i was aying... parents should either hide their guns well...or not have them at all... use the old-fashioned crowbar or bat! and please.... stop blaming the parents! like they dont have ennough to worry about! not only did their kid kill people and probably killed himself/herself...now the media is blaming the parents!!! geez!
Parents should be blamed, PARTIALLY!

From as long as I can remember I've been around guns. Before we were allowed to even touch them, my dad starting teaching us the basics of gun safety. Then he started us on his BB gun, which we were only allowed to pump once. That way, just in case an accident happened, it'd hurt, but it wouldn't kill or anything. Then we moved up.

So, parents should be starting the teachings of gun safety as soon as they can. It's a vital thing for any household that has guns.

When I get married, and have kids, my kids will see the same thing everybody else does everyday; They'll see me strap on my Springfield Armory .45 GI Gov't, and magazines. But they'lkl never use it illegally, because I'll teach them how to use guns as well as how to curb their emotionals and how to handle them.

I've felt like killing people before, and could easily do it. At any given time I could get my hands on a bow, any of 4 shotguns, two muzzleloaders, a rifle, or a pistol and ammo for any of them. But, because of the teachings of my dad, I know how to curb my emotions and not let them get out of hand.

That's were parents should be blamed. Not for their kids' choices, but for how they raised their kids.

Parents should be blamed, PARTIALLY!

From as long as I can remember I've been around guns. Before we were allowed to even touch them, my dad starting teaching us the basics of gun safety. Then he started us on his BB gun, which we were only allowed to pump once. That way, just in case an accident happened, it'd hurt, but it wouldn't kill or anything. Then we moved up.

So, parents should be starting the teachings of gun safety as soon as they can. It's a vital thing for any household that has guns.

When I get married, and have kids, my kids will see the same thing everybody else does everyday; They'll see me strap on my Springfield Armory .45 GI Gov't, and magazines. But they'lkl never use it illegally, because I'll teach them how to use guns as well as how to curb their emotionals and how to handle them.

I've felt like killing people before, and could easily do it. At any given time I could get my hands on a bow, any of 4 shotguns, two muzzleloaders, a rifle, or a pistol and ammo for any of them. But, because of the teachings of my dad, I know how to curb my emotions and not let them get out of hand.

That's were parents should be blamed. Not for their kids' choices, but for how they raised their kids.

you sound like you have a great dad.

he must have...i mean I never even thought of that! he must be a great guy.

anyway yes i agree...parents should be blamed for how they raise the kids...but they are being blamed fr the kids actions. which is retarded of the media to destroy a family's name because of them wanting afew extra stories for their half hour show.

is that sarcasm? or did you find humor in that?

anyway... guns are awesome as long as troubled white kids dont get their homicidal hands on them
yeah...or these so called "gang banger homies" who would shoot someone just because they swore...gangs make no sense...if ur in a gang, chances are someones gonna let you down...thats why i would have a small, select group of ppl by my side if i was gonna get into that crap...not that i would..im one of these good kids, who goes to school everyday, does the work..that sorta stuff...

oh i understand people thinking im an idiot because of my comedy and stupidity... but im quite intelectual. i just dont use it when i dont have to... lol talk to vkx and hippie...they tasted the cold steel of my intellegence during the "7 steps to world domination" thread :p

but anyway. as i was aying... parents should either hide their guns well...or not have them at all... use the old-fashioned crowbar or bat! and please.... stop blaming the parents! like they dont have ennough to worry about! not only did their kid kill people and probably killed himself/herself...now the media is blaming the parents!!! geez!

Very nice Very nice, I like your points now on this particullar topic, thier really comming together.

its just frustrating to listen to the same crap on channel 6 or something "timmy hudgenson killed a totall of 56 teachers and students...and after all of that...we think. where were the parents?"

the parents were going to work thinking their son was normal and just saw this issue on the news you sick bastards!

anyway... before i create a following or give the people the impression im some sort of genious.....

back on the topic , a deagle would be best as a protective weapon...especially in specops..

and people who use over powerd guns because they like the noise they make? but seriously, i would ultimately prefer something that can hit people at enough range for them not to easily be able to hit back...im not sayin a want a sniper rifle, but just something accurate enough to hit someone from say...a block or two away...not that i need it in the peacefull place i live, where gun crime is a highly rare occurunce, and a high level news article, instead of a daily event...

well...we were kinda getting back ont rack when you posted that =\....

but anyway..yeah...i agree that its dumb to get a high powered gun for the noise... i like them because one shot... one limb lol (as in i mean that the limb flies off)

I cleaned up that little flaming session, let's not let that happen again....Stay on topic, please.

As for using loud guns. It's pointless, because they're usually the most inaccurate things you'll ever shoot! Me? I'd take a long-range rifle (something like a .308 or .30-06), a 12-gauge loaded with buckshot, and a GI-style 1911 .45 ACP.

That way, I have a gun for long distance, up close, and for if my primary gun fails.

longrange weapons are mostly good if your mission is to take out long range people... but if not itll slow you down because thay are big and akward... its always good to take a powerful sidearm with you so you dont get cornered with half a clip with ike 80 guys.... one shot one kill weapons are best for that kind of odds.

my grandfather's winchester and shotguns are the kinds of weapons id love to use.

I think some gun control is necessary (don't give an M82 to someone with a congenital neurological disorder), but too much is just pointless. Like the assault weapons ban.

Two weapons will kill you - one of them has a bigger magazine capacity. Therefore, it is illegal.

just have a handcannon and a dragon gun in the back of a semi...you will win ANY fight! one look at the dragon gun and they will have heart-attacks before a single shot is fired.

longrange weapons are mostly good if your mission is to take out long range people... but if not itll slow you down because thay are big and akward... its always good to take a powerful sidearm with you so you dont get cornered with half a clip with ike 80 guys.... one shot one kill weapons are best for that kind of odds.
I know that. That's why I said I'd have a high-capacity 12-gauge and a .45 sidearm as well.

That way, when they get too close, you ditch the rifle, and take the shotgun/pistol combo.

lol handcannon ftw...pull it out in a weird quikdraw and then when the first shot is fired the guy does a backflip into a group of others...then chuck a grenade and instant pwnage lol