Hummm... Discuss your relgions and different aspects of them, vote on them, dispute them. Only rules are, no flaming a religion/follower, and follow the rest of the site rules.

So I guess I shall start it off. I find that I am a pastafarian. I worship the flying spaghetti monster. Should you like to learn about my religion I gladly invite you to go here, http://www.venganza.org/ .

That should explain all of your questions.

-Ghilliemarine

P.S. Use this thread for all future religion related topics to use less bandwidth.

ok.....
i'm a united methodist.

What's that entail? What are your key beliefs? What sets you apart from other religions?


Ghillie

we beleive in making disciples for jesus christ by giving the good news of his death for our sins.

i'm atheist and have my own viewpoints on how things work; some based on religions and some i just made for my own sake.

roman catholic ftw!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, I sorta understand, I dunno, the whole "jesus' thing just doesn't fit with things in my mind. Are you really devout or is it more of a parent living with the religion thing?


Ghillie

ALSO, as a note to everyone! You may talk about other religions in a negative way, just do nto go overboard!

Ex. You can say, "That religion sounds like BS". But you cannot say, "*uck your religion, and *uck you for believing in it! Down with jesus!"

lol, I'm not going to even post twice in this religion thread this time around. The last one knocked the wind out of me I wrote so much. lol, I'm still recovering. peace, have fun and I hope certain members won't get carried away this time.

RC kicks all other religions ass ....lets face it...

just give up now fools and convert and we wont rape you lol...we wouldnt do that anyway cause we dont agree with gay marriages..or contraception...spread the aids..

coomeback that!

Should they get out of hand malicious, deal with them, I want the moderators to keep this thread crisp! Go ahead and post a gratitus amount of information on your religion like you had last time!


Danimal, what are your view points?

Josh, what exactly is a roman catholic? How's it different from normal catholics? I always wondered that...

Ghillie

i'll keep a close eye on this thread too. just to be sure. this can be a very controversial topic.

Should they get out of hand malicious, deal with them, I want the moderators to keep this thread crisp! Go ahead and post a gratitus amount of information on your religion like you had last time!


Danimal, what are your view points?

Josh, what exactly is a roman catholic? How's it different from normal catholics? I always wondered that...

Ghillie

obviously you weren't present in the last religious debate. I had no intentions of closing this and neither do I intend to.

catholic but i put christian because i'm not a fan of it

RC kicks all other religions ass ....lets face it...

just give up now fools and convert and we wont rape you lol...we wouldnt do that anyway cause we dont agree with gay marriages..or contraception...spread the aids..

coomeback that!But josh, his great noodly appendages are all over! I cannot offend the great spaghedeity! Besides, does your religion have the theory of "unintelligent design"? Pifft I think not, haha. And while all the christians out there are fumbling around with the ten commandments, we have the "Eight I'd really rather you didn'ts".

Ghillie

P.S. Nun, go ahead and express your religion to the fullest! I will not be one to judge you and neither shall anyone else.

omg you will delete my "your going to hell" comment but not my "catholic rapes all comment"

lol fair enough

damn those pasta commandments if didnt like eating pasta so much id join....cant get away from the tasty carbonara....*drool*

Ah but the 5th of the "Eight I'd really rather you didn'ts" states that eating is good!


Direct quote from my Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster,

"I’d really rather you didn’t challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the bitches. "

Therefore, eating pasta is no sin! Hell, in pastafarianism there are no "sins", just "really rather you didn'ts".

Ghillie

But josh, his great noodly appendages are all over! I cannot offend the great spaghedeity! Besides, does your religion have the theory of "unintelligent design"? Pifft I think not, haha. And while all the christians out there are fumbling around with the ten commandments, we have the "Eight I'd really rather you didn'ts".

Ghillie

P.S. Nun, go ahead and express your religion to the fullest! I will not be one to judge you and neither shall anyone else.

Oh no! I didn't receive even a little bit of judgment in the last debate. In fact it was quite intellectually enlightening and respectful. It's just that I had over 9,000 words invested in the thread that ultimately was destined to be endless.

i can imagine the priest now..."oh no you didnts"

how does the pasta stay hot because not a cold pasta fan??

in other words, he isn't posting because he does not want to have to write an essay every time he visits the thread.

Josh the FSM is great. His powers are unimagineable. He always is warm as he is great. Do not underestimate the power of the FSM. If are ever blessed enough to touch his noodly apendages, then you shall see the light.

Ghillie

Also nun, I have no intention of letting this thread die, I for one will be posting in it at least once everytime I get on.

so fsm doesnt mind people taking a nibble of his head....?

i like my pata hot warm is not satisfactory..i will have to join a pastafarian church in spain

Should they get out of hand malicious, deal with them, I want the moderators to keep this thread crisp! Go ahead and post a gratitus amount of information on your religion like you had last time!


Danimal, what are your view points?

Josh, what exactly is a roman catholic? How's it different from normal catholics? I always wondered that...

Ghillie

mainly, my view points on after you die is based around reincarnation, but not like the hindu's who think you could be a different animal the next time around. i believe that you keep inhabiting another human after you die, and it's like a rinse and repeat cycle, your born, you live a life, you die, then you repeat it all over again. i believe that i have lived multiple lives in the past and i'm living in, obviously, my most current life.

other then that, i live to please myself, others, that includes friends, family, or anyone i come into contact with generally, but don't live to please god so i'll make it to the paradise known as heaven, i kind of find that farfetched honestly. again, honestly my viewpoints are dull, but that's how i truly see things around me.

NOTE: by the word "please", i don't mean sexually. it just means to make them happy, and just do the right thing.

Josh the FSM is great. His powers are unimagineable. He always is warm as he is great. Do not underestimate the power of the FSM. If are ever blessed enough to touch his noodly apendages, then you shall see the light.

Ghillie

Also nun, I have no intention of letting this thread die, I for one will be posting in it at least once everytime I get on.

No you see the problem is not of it dieing its of it NOT dieing. Having been through about 5 religious debates on both H2B and H3B here is my prediction: It will eventually go over 100 posts, though it might be different this time around since I'm not participating, it's demise will eventually be the fact that there is to much argument which ultimately will have no end and be closed. Or everyone will agree to disagree which is the best and most peaceful hope. Have fun, I know I did.

i chose other cause im in a kinda-christian family... used to go to church when i was young... id say im nuetral.... im not sure if there is a god..but just in case im not gonna do seriouse sins or something.and every once in awhile pray for help lol...t once worked when i prayed...but it only gave me alittle bit of inspiration...... lol prayed to god asking for help on improving my grades and my procrastination.... i graduated.

anyway. as i said im nuetral because JUST INCASE there is a god..i dont wanna be on his bad side.

Nope josh, the FSM has nothing wrong with that.

Nice ideals danimal, what's your theory of evoloution?

Caboose, even if there is a god and you don't believe in one, I would doubt anything bad would happen.

Nun, go for it, that's exactly why I posted it in the debate section becuase I know it will end up like that, but, it's a good thing to hear others views and ideals.

Ghillie

I'm an Athiest; big whoop! Ya wanna fight about it?

im just nuetral because i dont want t miss out on fun things in fear of hell..but as soon as you join a religion... its ideals get you...like if you werent religious at all and died..nothing would happen..but i believe once you like become a christian or something you will go to hell if you sin or that kind of thing...so imjust nuetral just incase my predictions are correct.

thats a relief but honestly i was brought up roman catholic...being irish and all thats a no-brainer.....its just i find the whole jesus son of god /heaven:all a little bit retarded and seeing as science pretty much proves anything there is no logical way god exists...or fsm sorry ghillie

Read the FSM website josh, haha. It will explain everything. What is roman catholic though? How's it different from Catholic?

Ghillie

lol speaking of ethniticity...im part irish , part scottish , and im a puritan (descendant of some guy from the mayflower) so i guess that makes me part british i believe. and i dont know about my other half.. so yeah i have conflicts in my heritage in 3 different ways!!! and all of them violent and possibly alchoholic!!! woohoo! i scored in the most fun heritage! lol

anyway. my family stopped going to hurch and i used to pray alot..then i realised my prayers were never answered...so i just stopped...(then my graduation prayer lol...about 6 years later)

its not, the full title is roman catholic..and i wouldnt be surprised if you made that site ghillie lol

i forgot how religious countries like ireland and scottland were.

Nah dude, that site was made by a phyicist who lives in arizona! It's a crazy idea but it explains everything.


Ghillie

Roman Catholic is just more old school than regular catholic; I used to be one when I was little; I even went to a catholic school for first grade. But they always annoyed me with their constant talk of god. Everything had some relation to god no matter what we said.

"God wouldn't want you doing that."

"That was nice of you! I'm sure God is smiling at what you did."

"Don't say that; the children of god shouldn't curse."

Those were things the teachers would say to us with no exaggeration. They really said stuff like this.

fsm looks ridiculous to be honest ...no offense ghillie

please i mean no offence to religions when i say this
catholic nuns are fucking insane!!! them with their rulers of god and...its possibe they stalk students t beat them with rulers whenever they sined outside of school.

anyway yeah.... being nuetral is a good thing...worst case scenario..we end up in limbo and party!

Lol that's the point! It's poking fun at other religions because ANYTHING is possible.


Ghillie

science should be a religion

Well, in a sence it is! Who's to say what's what? It's only that because we THINK that's what it is. What if electrons had "thoughts". What if water felt pain? It's only accepted as facts because it provides some stability in our lives. All a religion is is a theory, and well, science is basically a theory too because we don't KNOW enough to be SURE what we "know" is right, is right.


ghillie

my head hurts...

i understood it...hes saying science is like religion...we only believe in it because it helps us understand the un-understandable. like the creation if the universe and saying god created the universe. and i frankly agree

you will only be effected by what you believe in.

Caboose is right. Science is only proven through OUR own observations. But whose to say we're right? Why is left left, and right right? Are we standing upside down because our cornea flips the image in our eye? It's all questions that will NEVER have any anwser.

Ghillie

well i was summarizing what you said... but then again it DOES make sense.

because we could have just made somethng up but it fit almost perfectly so it became REAL. maybe we arent even that big! maybe our whole universe is just a tiny spec on a sidewalk or something in a BIGGER race! we have really no idea what we are or what we are supposed to do...all we know is what we choose to know. and whatever CANT be made up....we base on god or jesus or a miracle. which proves NOBODY really knows what they are doing.

No, science isnt just beliefs.
sure, it is mostly theories, but they are currently the ones that make the most sense (except for ones like the big bang).
Did religion ever tell us what water is made of? nope.
Science did - it is two Hydrogen atoms conected by an Oxygen atom.
Thats just one example. I'm not trying to have a war against religion, but in this modern day and age, science is currently the most beneficial thing to have happened since society!
Religion helped lay the foundations of society, as it enforced morals and laws. Now that we have a proper society (mostly proper), we developed it with science.

One great thing I like about science is that you can always challange the current beliefs! Do that in a church and you'll be tossed out as a heretic! Go in saying "The bible is wrong!" and you'll be cast out on your ass.
Go into a science establishment saying "Relativity needs to be rewritten!" and you'll probably have to set up some rigourous experiments and write Peer Reveiwed papers, but after all that it will (usually) be proved corrent, and the current laws will be rewritten.

Thats why i'm Atheist. Science is flexible, and makes the most sense.
Religion is inflexible, a relic from an age past.

No, science isnt just beliefs.
sure, it is mostly theories, but they are currently the ones that make the most sense (except for ones like the big bang).
Did religion ever tell us what water is made of? nope.
Science did - it is two Hydrogen atoms conected by an Oxygen atom.
Thats just one example. I'm not trying to have a war against religion, but in this modern day and age, science is currently the most beneficial thing to have happened since society!
Religion helped lay the foundations of society, as it enforced morals and laws. Now that we have a proper society (mostly proper), we developed it with science.

One great thing I like about science is that you can always challange the current beliefs! Do that in a church and you'll be tossed out as a heretic! Go in saying "The bible is wrong!" and you'll be cast out on your ass.
Go into a science establishment saying "Relativity needs to be rewritten!" and you'll probably have to set up some rigourous experiments and write Peer Reveiwed papers, but after all that it will (usually) be proved corrent, and the current laws will be rewritten.

Thats why i'm Atheist. Science is flexible, and makes the most sense.
Religion is inflexible, a relic from an age past.But hex, you don't get that a molecule is only a molecule because we THINK it is. Can you prove anything? Seriously, what if the quarks or neutrinos or any sub-atomic particle had thoughts. What if we were really a "sub-atomic" particle to some other greater being. We accept it as truth because we came up with the ideas of mathmatics, science, chemistry, physics. You can always challenge religion just as you can always challange religion. "The church" is only one religion. So all in all, science is a THEORY, nothing more. Unless you can prove there is nothing bigger than us, and nothing smaller than sub-atomic particles, then I'll stand fast w/ the theory idea.

Ghillie

I am goign to be a completely and total halo geek, and say I am the religion of the covenant. It's a simple religion, kill all of those who could stop us from reaching our goal. Like reaching one of the rings, we must all embark on that journey, it will be long but we shall reach that ring, and use it as the divine prophet, tell us to.



No i am Lutheran, or in other words, a version of the Christian religion.

Ok test time. Right now I don't really know what religion I want to be in. I tried, Catholic, Christian, Jovah's Witness, and Atheist.

I want you guys to try and convert me into your religion, just so I can finally choose one.

-The Sk

Well if you become pastafarian then you get to wear full pirate regelia with no shame, you get to worship the flying spaghetti monster, you get to have another alternate theory on creation *the unintelligent theory*, and you get to bitch about other religions on a full stomach. Also, you don't have to follow the "commandments" or "karan" or w/e else. You mearly have the "8 I'd really rather you didn'ts".


Thus, it is best to join the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You never know, you may be blessed enough to be touched by His Noodly Appendage.

And, as a parting note, the Pirate Fish can save your car from crack smoking hobos.

Ghillie

join nuetralness!!!

its great because you can join in on religious arguements and they cant try to insult your religion because your religion is awesome! you doont go to church and all you do is wonder if there is a god. and just incase there is.... we dont really sin or anything! we just live our lives with no holy-fear! and the worst-case scenario... we end up in limbo...which basically is a place to party and have fun!!! and we do whatevetr the hell we want until the heavens make a decision! and if people ask you "are you chritian? or athiest?" you just say "im nuetral...im not sure if there is a god...but if there is...no way in hell i want to be on his bad side"

and thus.... its a religion i made up... but its totally boneafied. theres no argueing about it... beause there is nothing to argue! we dont hate god or shun him! we just sit by and look for reasons to believe there is one! and other than that...we just live our lives! its a great religion!

join nuetralness!!!

its great because you can join in on religious arguements and they cant try to insult your religion because your religion is awesome! you doont go to church and all you do is wonder if there is a god. and just incase there is.... we dont really sin or anything! we just live our lives with no holy-fear! and the worst-case scenario... we end up in limbo...which basically is a place to party and have fun!!! and we do whatevetr the hell we want until the heavens make a decision! and if people ask you "are you chritian? or athiest?" you just say "im nuetral...im not sure if there is a god...but if there is...no way in hell i want to be on his bad side"
and thus.... its a religion i made up... but its totally boneafied. theres no argueing about it... beause there is nothing to argue! we dont hate god or shun him! we just sit by and look for reasons to believe there is one! and other than that...we just live our lives! its a great religion!

So are you basically defining reality out of your lack of desire to search for truth?

were typically living our lives without fear of holy tribute. if we find evidence without a doubt there is a god.... oh well.

because we live our lives normally...we might sin here or there but we dont do things like steal from old ladies and rape kids or kill! we just live oiur lives and try to stay on gods (if there IS one) good side...and like i said...hell would be out of the question...because nuetralness would bring either heaven or limbo...and limbo is just one big party!

were typically living our lives without fear of holy tribute. if we find evidence without a doubt there is a god.... oh well.

because we live our lives normally...we might sin here or there but we dont do things like steal from old ladies and rape kids or kill! we just live oiur lives and try to stay on gods (if there IS one) good side...and like i said...hell would be out of the question...because nuetralness would bring either heaven or limbo...and limbo is just one big party!

You pulled limbo straight our of your own fear. You want to reap the benefits while not having to truly devote your life to something. There is no place where anything like limbo is a religious doctrine other than your own hope. Based upon which religions you seemed to hint at, you weren't refering to anything remote instead you seemed to refer to a world view similar to christian judeo or islam. You are viewing those religions, primarily christianity, as supremely judging throughout a process of right and wrong, good or bad when it simply is not so. Just FYI

oh but its more comlicated than that!!! i was one a christian!!!
ill explain later.

but anyway...we will go to either heaven or limbo IF and i repeat IF there is a god! because we never shinned him! and we never devoted our whole life into fearing him!

and i took limbo into this religion because just ICASE there is a god...that makes limbo real..so we will be sent there in the worst case scenario. because we never commited no seriouse sin...and thus so we will be in heaven..but if we our sins and goods even out...its limbo time and thus its a party.

our religion isnt based on sin or fear...its based on common sense... if theres an old lady struggling to carry her bags...we do what we think is right...we help her. we do good things and sometimes bad thing..all we are doing is (if there is a god) earning heaven points or ( if the isnt a god) doing the right thing for the community.

and all while we live our lives just chilling and living...we need no care for fearing god's unholy wrath like hristians and catholics.

funny thing about the pastafarian thing. on facebook, you have a category that displays what your religious status is and it can be whatever you want it to be meaning you can pretty much put anything under the category. i decided to display the religion of pastafarian. just in case no one would even no what that was, i put up the link to the site under my contacts info, and under the my interests. (this was last night) today just after school, i got on my facebook and i already have gotten 8 private messages telling me my religion was ridiculing god and they would threaten to delete my account if i didn't change my beliefs. i laughed because i got the responses i was looking for.

i love when i speak the truth my post is deleted lmao

oh but its more comlicated than that!!! i was one a christian!!!
ill explain later.

but anyway...we will go to either heaven or limbo IF and i repeat IF there is a god! because we never shinned him! and we never devoted our whole life into fearing him!

and i took limbo into this religion because just ICASE there is a god...that makes limbo real..so we will be sent there in the worst case scenario. because we never commited no seriouse sin...and thus so we will be in heaven..but if we our sins and goods even out...its limbo time and thus its a party.

our religion isnt based on sin or fear...its based on common sense... if theres an old lady struggling to carry her bags...we do what we think is right...we help her. we do good things and sometimes bad thing..all we are doing is (if there is a god) earning heaven points or ( if the isnt a god) doing the right thing for the community.

and all while we live our lives just chilling and living...we need no care for fearing god's unholy wrath like hristians and catholics.

I can say without judgment that you were never truly a Christian considering that you think how good you are determines whether you go to heaven. Your determining and stating your unfactually based OPINION as fact. You are totally 100% contradicting the thing that you consider to be plausible.

i love when i speak the truth my post is deleted lmao

I am a Christian too. I deleted your post because I don't think telling people their going to hell in the way you just did is exactly intelligent, tactful, or appropriate for the constraints of this thread. k pumpkin?

I can say without judgment that you were never truly a Christian considering that you think how good you are determines whether you go to heaven. Your determining and stating your unfactually based OPINION as fact. You are totally 100% contradicting the thing that you consider to be plausible.
im not agreeing with your words apon me...but oh well.

im not contradicting... my religion is only based on comon sense and kindness.... doing what you know is right! and if there isnt a god then you die without fear of hell or anything holy... and your life is about living. not worrying about going to hell or "god this and god that"

but if there is a god...then there is no reason why you shouldnt go to heaven...or limbo at worst case scenario! im bringing it into this because i WAS a christian long ago . anfd my religion is based on one solid agreement "what if?" we are nuetral! we dont join satan OR god. we just live our lives and just try not to rape babies and rob old ladies... sins are actually just laws that you know not to do! if you live your life kind and not a maniacle evil jerk... you will either be buried and remembered as a great man/woman...or go to heaven or limbo!

my religion of nuetralness is basically living our lives as good people who dont break importanat and great laws like "no stealing" or " no killing".... and the main point is to wait and see if ther IS a god... when we die we find out!

im not agreeing with your words apon me...but oh well.

im not contradicting... my religion is only based on comon sense and kindness.... doing what you know is right! and if there isnt a god then you die without fear of hell or anything holy... and your life is about living. not worrying about going to hell or "god this and god that"

but if there is a god...then there is no reason why you shouldnt go to heaven...or limbo at worst case scenario! im bringing it into this because i WAS a christian long ago . anfd my religion is based on one solid agreement "what if?" we are nuetral! we dont join satan OR god. we just live our lives and just try not to rape babies and rob old ladies... sins are actually just laws that you know not to do! if you live your life kind and not a maniacle evil jerk... you will either be buried and remembered as a great man/woman...or go to heaven or limbo!

my religion of nuetralness is basically living our lives as good people who dont break importanat and great laws like "no stealing" or " no killing".... and the main point is to wait and see if ther IS a god... when we die we find out!


No, no, see all you know of what a christian is is what your family taught you which is that God lets you into heaven based on how good you were. THAT'S NOT TRUE. You say its built on logic and yet you refuse to know that which you find to be a possibility.

well the bible and priests warn us to not sin otherwise we will be set ablase in hell or ass-raped by the devil in molten lava!!

and basically...all that going on is that..people sin... so what? go to a church and get blessed or forgiven....

and you can make up for sins! are you trying to imply that since MY religion is based on acouple weird beliefs you unjustly mark it as "impossible"?

christianity was beaten and christians were killed in treason for believing in christianity! and look how well it turned out!

in front of god himself... if he looks at all our sins and good deeds. and realise that the good deeds overrule the sins... isnt that enough?

nuetralism is just based on not being sure if there IS a god! all we do is live our lives as usual! just WITHOUT THE CONSTANT FEAR OF GOING TO HELL!!!

well the bible and priests warn us to not sin otherwise we will be set ablase in hell or ass-raped by the devil in molten lava!!

and basically...all that going on is that..people sin... so what? go to a church and get blessed or forgiven....

and you can make up for sins! are you trying to imply that since MY religion is based on acouple weird beliefs you unjustly mark it as "impossible"?

christianity was beaten and christians were killed in treason for believing in christianity! and look how well it turned out!

in front of god himself... if he looks at all our sins and good deeds. and realise that the good deeds overrule the sins... isnt that enough?

nuetralism is just based on not being sure if there IS a god! all we do is live our lives as usual! just WITHOUT THE CONSTANT FEAR OF GOING TO HELL!!!


your just repeating yourself now and your not grasping what I'm saying. Evidently by what you just said in regards to priests and be forgiven by them: you didn't mean that you were christian you meant that you are semi-catholic of some sort. Christianity doesn't have priests and confessionals. You meant to say that you used to be semi catholic I think. Very well at least I understand that you'v formulated this belief out of catholosism instead of christianity.

your just repeating yourself now and your not grasping what I'm saying. Evidently by what you just said in regards to priests and be forgiven by them: you didn't mean that you were christian you meant that you are semi-catholic of some sort. Christianity doesn't have priests and confessionals. You meant to say that you used to be semi catholic I think. Very well at least I understand that you'v formulated this belief out of catholosism instead of christianity.
oh snap-crackle-pop rice chrispies! you sure there werent confessionals in christianity? but that doesnt matter... i wasnt saying it was based on forgiven sins.... i was using it as an example to prove the religion is kinda weird...if a priest (who btw is a 48 year old vergin who hangs around men alot and devoted his whole life to fearing god) and with acouple hail-maries your magically forgiven? not liekely.

but i was aying nuetralism is just lving your life without fear of holy proportions and not going around killing and raping. just live your life normally... dno need to pray (its basically begging for shit god cant really give) and church is not needed (hearing a guy preach about possbile lies wont get you into heaven...itll just educate you ) and live like normal people but without the fear of hell...trust me..most stress just goes away. and if there IS a god....pphhhhh oh well! you really didnt do anything to go to hell! you neve comitted horrible sin or killed youself! so basically...were just waiting to see. and in the mean taime having fun.

oh snap-crackle-pop rice chrispies! you sure there werent confessionals in christianity? but that doesnt matter... i wasnt saying it was based on forgiven sins.... i was using it as an example to prove the religion is kinda weird...if a priest (who btw is a 48 year old vergin who hangs around men alot and devoted his whole life to fearing god) and with acouple hail-maries your magically forgiven? not liekely.

but i was aying nuetralism is just lving your life without fear of holy proportions and not going around killing and raping. just live your life normally... dno need to pray (its basically begging for shit god cant really give) and church is not needed (hearing a guy preach about possbile lies wont get you into heaven...itll just educate you ) and live like normal people but without the fear of hell...trust me..most stress just goes away. and if there IS a god....pphhhhh oh well! you really didnt do anything to go to hell! you neve comitted horrible sin or killed youself! so basically...were just waiting to see. and in the mean taime having fun.

Yes, Christianity doesn't have priests and confessionals and all that jazz. BTW the Bible does say that you will go to hell because of your sins but you didn't mention the fact that Christs redemption saves us from our sins. Christ's forgiveness is the only way to heaven in the Christian doctrine. UNFORGIVEN sins are the thing that ensures damnation in the Bible.

Yes, Christianity doesn't have priests and confessionals and all that jazz. BTW the Bible does say that you will go to hell because of your sins but you didn't mention the fact that Christs redemption saves us from our sins. Christ's forgiveness is the only way to heaven in the Christian doctrine. UNFORGIVEN sins are the thing that ensures damnation in the Bible.
well then... its still ok then..because if there is a god and heaven... my religion would go in totally.. because we never really did anythng horrible. we just wait and see.

well then... its still ok then..because if there is a god and heaven... my religion would go in totally.. because we never really did anythng horrible. we just wait and see.

LOL. Dude, you just saying that is you grasping on to something other than God for your salvation, not God's forgiveness that is the only way to heaven in the Christian doctrine! IF your referring to what I just said in reference to the Christian God then you already contradicted yourself! If your viewing your method of getting to heaven in reference to the Christian God than you have already made an ILLOGICAL CONTRADICTION. I refuse to get into a religious debate this time around and I'm not. All I'm doing is debating from a purely unbiased logical standpoint. I do have a lot of religious education but I'm not basing my argument on my personal beliefs only logic.

LOL. Dude, you just saying that is you grasping on to something other than God for your salvation, not God's forgiveness that is the only way to heaven in the Christian doctrine! IF your referring to what I just said in reference to the Christian God then you already contradicted yourself! If your viewing your method of getting to heaven in reference to the Christian God than you have already made an ILLOGICAL CONTRADICTION. I refuse to get into a religious debate this time around and I'm not. All I'm doing is debating from a purely unbiased logical standpoint. I do have a lot of religious education but I'm not basing my argument on my personal beliefs only logic.
i understand...but you take it abit far taking apart possible differences in this religion. im not contradicting... im purely explaining what my religion is about...hjeres a summary:

im not athiest and im not a christian or catholic. all this religion does is sit back and wait and try not to sin badly JUST INCASE there is a god. thats all... and the rest of the talk was advantages and saying that there is no forgiveness for sins..no matter what possible paedophile in a cloak says. sins are sins and wont be forgiven.... my religion just guesses that our sins and good deeds are totalled up and if your sins are more than your goodness...your in hell.... but if the good overcomes your sins...your in heaven!...and if they are equal down to limbo you go to party and chill. and thats all.

is my religion lacking some moral issues? possibly.

is my religion seem illogical? to some.... but then again every religion sounded as resiculous as this. but its my religion and most people i ask are nuetral also.... maybe dont floow my base of rules...but oh well... its stil kind of a religion once you think about it... no prayer...no church..no hatred to angels or god...just waiting to see if he does exist...and when we met him ourselves...at least we didnt go on orgie and killing sprees.

Well I think I know enough about Christianity to say that Caboose's God doesn't fit into Christianity's god.

If Caboose is thinking about the Christian God then you are going to hell. What you are doing is called being a Hypocrite. You don't follow the Christian God's Guidelines yet you still think that he will forgive you and send you to heaven (Or limbo w/e). If I remember correctly the ultimate sin is to reject God's existence or doubting it. Once you do that you go to hell.

Of course this is kinda of complicated, because you can seek forgiveness.

Oh and it still doesn't matter if Caboose is not thinking about the Christian God cause if you don't believe in Christianity it doesn't affect you. Right? I mean if it did, then Buddhism should affect us also even if you don't believe in it.

Religion=Complexity beyond comprehension

-The Sk

yeah but you forget one thing. once you believe in something you are victim to it's purpouses...so believe in christianity and worshop him even for a minute....and you are god's victim. for you have given your belief and possible soul to that religion. do...yeah..... im going to hell then..... maybe not! but i used to be christian...... bt oh well! ill probably be hillin with beelzavoth and laughing at ppl getting ass-raped by demons.....

well anyway... i dont doubt..im undecided. and since when is doubting his existance a sin?

i thought the biggest sin was selling your soul or commiting suicide.

caboose, would this make you agnostic?

yeah but you forget one thing. once you believe in something you are victim to it's purpouses...so believe in christianity and worshop him even for a minute....and you are god's victim. for you have given your belief and possible soul to that religion. do...yeah..... im going to hell then..... maybe not! but i used to be christian...... bt oh well! ill probably be hillin with beelzavoth and laughing at ppl getting ass-raped by demons.....

well anyway... i dont doubt..im undecided. and since when is doubting his existance a sin?

i thought the biggest sin was selling your soul or commiting suicide.

your right, but I personally don't believe there's a degree of sin. I think that all sin is sin yet I could change my mind on that. Doubting the existence of God is no way a sin. Its absolutely inevitable. Two religions can't be both right either or all rodes can't lead to heaven either. Just by using logic one can figure that out. Its either no religion is true or only one is.

see? i know what im talking about when i actually think about it.

but anyway yes... sin is sin...and according to chistianity suicide is the one unforgivable sin EVER. instant ticket to hell. anyway... as long as you know you did more good than you did sin...i believe you should go to heaven .... but still idk if theres a god or anything...death itself is scary because there is no planning after death..think about it......you die...suddenly...is it nothing? or do you see darkness? or is like trying to get to sleep? or...what?!?!? think about it...you feel that feeling of dread? thats the feeling i feel when i try to imagine what you see after death.... its what henced the term " nothing to fear but fear itself" but ive added " and death is the ultimate fear"

see? i know what im talking about when i actually think about it.

but anyway yes... sin is sin...and according to chistianity suicide is the one unforgivable sin EVER. instant ticket to hell. anyway... as long as you know you did more good than you did sin...i believe you should go to heaven .... but still idk if theres a god or anything...death itself is scary because there is no planning after death..think about it......you die...suddenly...is it nothing? or do you see darkness? or is like trying to get to sleep? or...what?!?!? think about it...you feel that feeling of dread? thats the feeling i feel when i try to imagine what you see after death.... its what henced the term " nothing to fear but fear itself" but ive added " and death is the ultimate fear"
I read somewhere (I'll link let me find it) that some (key point: )Scientists were experimenting on dead bodies. They found a number of electrical frequencies on the brain. Enough to be able to cause dreams. So they figured that it is possible that when you die, you may have dreams. Who knows? That would be interesting. Of course, these are scientists.

-The Sk

So, it would be like, whatever you picture heaven as, is the way it is. Or you have the power to damn urself to hell. lawl. Think happy thoughts!

yeah...i kinda skimmed through all that, but what i did read seems very interesting. i PERSONALLY have my own wacky way of explaining life, but its long, complicated, and probably based in several religions...oh btw (reading the comment about the religion of the Covenant) over in the UK somewhere theres a temple of the Jedi...

Well, here's my basic outlook on life, the "religion" that i follow.

You are born, and then you die. There's this nice little bit in between called Life, which is really quite short.
I plan to make the most of it, enjoying myself, while still being moral and not going around hurting or killing anyone.
I believe that when you die, it is like going to sleep (or uncouncious, w/ ever) but never waking up. Why dont you wake up? because your brain doesnt work when there's a bunch of worms crawling through it.

If there is a heaven, then i hope to have been nice/moral enough to warrant entry into said heaven. If theres not, at least i'll have had a good life.

Reason why i'm Atheist: I'm too damn lazy to follow a religion, especially when it makes no sense (to me, at least). For me, logic pwns, so i'll stick with it for now. although i will go and have a look at the FSM website, just to see what its about. :D

see? i know what im talking about when i actually think about it.

but anyway yes... sin is sin...and according to chistianity suicide is the one unforgivable sin EVER. instant ticket to hell. anyway... as long as you know you did more good than you did sin...i believe you should go to heaven .... but still idk if theres a god or anything...death itself is scary because there is no planning after death..think about it......you die...suddenly...is it nothing? or do you see darkness? or is like trying to get to sleep? or...what?!?!? think about it...you feel that feeling of dread? thats the feeling i feel when i try to imagine what you see after death.... its what henced the term " nothing to fear but fear itself" but ive added " and death is the ultimate fear"

Not really, your still illogical in the way you communicate to the point of mental pain. If your going to share your views at least be a little educated.

Well, here's my basic outlook on life, the "religion" that i follow.

You are born, and then you die. There's this nice little bit in between called Life, which is really quite short.
I plan to make the most of it, enjoying myself, while still being moral and not going around hurting or killing anyone.
I believe that when you die, it is like going to sleep (or uncouncious, w/ ever) but never waking up. Why dont you wake up? because your brain doesnt work when there's a bunch of worms crawling through it.

If there is a heaven, then i hope to have been nice/moral enough to warrant entry into said heaven. If theres not, at least i'll have had a good life.

Reason why i'm Atheist: I'm too damn lazy to follow a religion, especially when it makes no sense (to me, at least). For me, logic pwns, so i'll stick with it for now. although i will go and have a look at the FSM website, just to see what its about. :D

your right: logic does pwn

Not really, your still illogical in the way you communicate to the point of mental pain. If your going to share your views at least be a little educated.
mental pain? im talking about not fearing god because he ight not exist!then again he might!

and i am educated...religion isnt too interesting to me though... but i came across this vid on youtube...check and see how fucked up the morman religion believes!! the vid isnt long..but look how many racist or anger is preached in mormon belef!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo

I mainly identify under the label of Quaker. Not necessarily a Christian Quaker, as some of my beliefs don't exactly identify with Christianity.

For one, I do not accept the mainline Quaker belief of total pacifism (I believe in only attacking when someone else initiates the violence), or the Inner Light that most Quakers hold either.

I do not agree with many parts of the Bible, as they are subject to the idiocy of mankind, as well as additions and subtractions, and added political propaganda some people still honestly believe. I especially believe the Bible is contradictive, and too limited in its clear conveyance of its message on many subjects, and I believe it is too old in many issues to constitute as God's ideals of today. I also believe the Catholic church completely slaughtered the Bible by countless subtractions and additions to the Bible, resulting in the downfall of 95% of modern-day Christian denominations. Paraphrasibly, I mean to say I believe the Bible is wrong in many cases.

I do agree with a few ideals of the Bible, which I believe were untouched or significantly less modified than most other parts of the Bible.

As well, I also believe that the physical life is very important, as is the pursuit of intelligence and education.

I also reject the ideal that God merely created us to worship him. I actually believe in a benevolent God that loves us enough to educate us, and give us free will and belief.

Additionally, I accept the ideals of evolution and creationism, the need for science for the progression of knowledge, and leaving people to their own beliefs and ways as long they do not infringe upon mine or other's rights and freedom (as well, I believe that certain condemned actions aren't wrong, such as sodomy, suicide, and abortion [in some cases- abortion that is]).

I also do not believe in total sanctity of marriage to have sex, so long as the persons love each other. Being married to purely have sex is as wrong in my belief as the Catholic version of having sex without being married although a couple loves each other.

As well, I do believe in the 9 levels of heaven and hell, as well as purgatory.

I also accept the possibility I could be totally wrong in my belief, but even I was, it wouldn't shock me, as I accept that only God knows what is really right and wrong. And even if a God didn't exist, I wouldn't be shocked either.

Addendum A: I do not believe in the hierarchy of priests, as no man should have the power to preach their beliefs to others. People need to decide on their own what their beliefs are, not steal others'. I also believe in the Big Bang, stem cell research as being necessary, and a devotion to others selflessly until provoked to do otherwise. I also believe in a life of regulation instead of excess, and not melancholy unrefined regularity. I do believe that certain aspects of life only help to justify my belief in a God also. And, obviously, I do not agree with bigotry of any form, save for against morons (which seems to be a vast majority of people these days).


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I'll gladly accept any questions.

aight...im gonna try and explain how i view life:
i should live my life treating the people who show me no disrespect with respect (baisicly i respect someone till they show me reason to do otherwise)

there may be a god(s) out there, thats not for us to decide. if they wanted us to know about them, they would have shown themselves.

i am open to hearing other ideas, so long as the people presenting them dont try to convince me to change my views. that has to be a decision i make myself.

i will not try to change someone elses point of view (linked to the above) as that also has to be a decision that each person makes.

thats pretty much it. make up your own mind about it, hate it, love it, w/e...just dont critisize me about it.

Bountyhunter, you sound like an agnostic.
If you want the most plausible explanation, then the Simulated Universe is probably worth looking in to.

I am no longer fully atheist! I am now an Atheistic Pastafarian!! :D
Long live the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster!!
Peace, love and pirates. :)

my beliefs include:
1.jesus might being a real person and being killed in a fucked up way
2. the big bang might have happened
3.god might exist and god might not exist
4. im fucking awesome (just so you know lol)
5. slash IS a god lol
6. if i go to hell... ill fight back , ill beat his ass in a fiddle ocntest to win back my life lol (will prbably kit him in the head with the golden fidle until he passes out... then ill make a run for it lol)
7. respect others as the respect you
8. french ppl suck
9. im fucking awesome (just to get it in your head...alittle reminder ;) )

Bountyhunter, you sound like an agnostic.
If you want the most plausible explanation, then the Simulated Universe is probably worth looking in to.

I am no longer fully atheist! I am now an Atheistic Pastafarian!! :D
Long live the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster!!
Peace, love and pirates. :)
possibly, but i dont realy think so..because theres some other stuff going on in my beliefs which i didnt realy explain, like some kinda gods which more exist as feelings and such...its REALY complicated. plus i think because my beliefs were developed without any religion to be based around, i think they will never realy fit into any religion...thus in the mean time i shall call it phoenixism, because phoenixs always get right back up after a fight, and are awsome...

My beliefs are simple:
I am mostly atheist, with a bit of pastafarian thrown in (it is such a good satire on ID :) ).
You live, you die, so have fun.
Sinning? I dont give a damn, because i've had a lot of fun so far, and no "Ten Commandments" are going to stop me having more fun! :D
Now i just need to clone myself, and then world domination will be acheivable!

i already beat the world domination thing..no matter howhard the bad guys tried lol...

my religion is just to have fun...and sit back and see what happens.

lol, no, maybe National domination instead...
Caboose, you like doing stupid/fun things? Go on Wikipedia, look up "Micronation", create one, and then join the Unofficial League of Micronations!
I am currently King of the Rogers Court Republic; my kingdom is my room. :D

Once we have enough Micronations, we shall rise up and overthrow the current world order!
Then, we'll set the Invisible Pink Unicorn to smite (give jellybeans to) the Unbelievers...

not thank you... not inot that "i rule this" thing... id rather help then rule...

anyway...religiong is what that person believes to be true...just like science.... science and religion are the same... in religion...there are many who mock you and make fun of you for your belief...and in science.... they also make fun of you and mock your beliefs unless its like theirs. and think about it..religion is what you believe...an science is what we believe.

not thank you... not inot that "i rule this" thing... id rather help then rule...

anyway...religiong is what that person believes to be true...just like science.... science and religion are the same... in religion...there are many who mock you and make fun of you for your belief...and in science.... they also make fun of you and mock your beliefs unless its like theirs. and think about it..religion is what you believe...an science is what we believe.


I'v got to hand it to you this time, caboose, that made some sense and I agree with a lot of that.

told you i wasnt stupid lol.

anyway yeah..... just remember kiddies!!!! things that you believe to be real...just remember...somebody else will feel the same way about something different than you...does that make him/her wrong? or are YOU wrong? its one of those questions you never can answer

oh and to the jerk who sent me the bad rep about my last post...your screaming at me wasnt appreciated. and really CAPITOLISING WORDS HAS NO EFFECT ON MOOD OR BEHAVIOR!! I COULD BE HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!MAYBE NOT!
anyway... if your gonna scream at me for typos i didnt realise..dont give bad rep because of the typos...thats just ignorant and in my eyes retarded.

Yay!!! another Religion thread, Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!! AMEN, GLORY TO GOD, PREACH IT BROTHER!!!!! hahaha... Christianity Rules :D Jesus died on the Cross to save my sins that I commit everyday, as well as you all commit everyday.. He created the place I live in, and my life.. I am sent to rule over all land, air, and ocean life, That is the reason I am human, Not Primate, but a Human You can say I came from one if u want to, but you sure won't see me eating that many bananas or hanging from a tree with a tail... I don't see this world created by a little cell that supposedly burst and made this world as it is now.. Give me strength guys, I wanna see proof that this happened millions and billions of years ago.. plz invent a time machine that works so I may see it.. I really want to guys.. It will be so exciting I bet... hahaha!!!!! thats hilarious.. No bloody cell can make the universe as it is now, come on guys, get real, I mean, the Sun, Ocean, Wildlife, Vegetation, Moon, Weather, Earth with perfect conditions to live on until Jesus comes back, Night and Day separated, Stars, the Human Race, I mean come on now guys.. I believe that we are the superior race sent by God Almighty to rule over all the animals and all others beings that live on Earth..

By the way HEX, the 10 commandments are something you TRY to follow, YOU CAN'T BE PERFECT!!!!! We all disobey our parents/elders, we all lie, we all I am sure have stolen, we have all committed adultery(and don't tell me you haven't, I am sure you have checked out somebody before, if you say you haven't your probably lying..), we have all killed(Thinking bad things about another person and having hatred counts as killing), we have all not followed the 10 commandments, You ask forgiveness and they will be written in Blood, meaning they have been forgiven, since Jesus died on the cross for you and me.. It is IMPOSSIBLE to follow and obey all the commandments without breaking them, you just need to try not to do them.. and that is why they were placed there..

I have a saying and it goes...
"If I am wrong, then I will just die, but if you are wrong and I am right, then you are Doomed.."
Meaning, since I believe in God, and if I am wrong, I will just die and life will continue as it is.. But if you are wrong, and I am right, You will be Doomed... But I know I am right anyways, so I don't have to worry... :)
Only saying... because it is a true fact.. So you might as well believe..

well...there is truth....the fact that people don't agree doesn't mean that there is none....

Yay!!! another Religion thread, Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!! AMEN, GLORY TO GOD, PREACH IT BROTHER!!!!! hahaha... Christianity Rules :D Jesus died on the Cross to save my sins that I commit everyday, as well as you all commit everyday.. He created the place I live in, and my life.. I am sent to rule over all land, air, and ocean life, That is the reason I am human, Not Primate, but a Human You can say I came from one if u want to, but you sure won't see me eating that many bananas or hanging from a tree with a tail... I don't see this world created by a little cell that supposedly burst and made this world as it is now.. Give me strength guys, I wanna see proof that this happened millions and billions of years ago.. plz invent a time machine that works so I may see it.. I really want to guys.. It will be so exciting I bet... hahaha!!!!! thats hilarious.. No bloody cell can make the universe as it is now, come on guys, get real, I mean, the Sun, Ocean, Wildlife, Vegetation, Moon, Weather, Earth with perfect conditions to live on until Jesus comes back, Night and Day separated, Stars, the Human Race, I mean come on now guys.. I believe that we are the superior race sent by God Almighty to rule over all the animals and all others beings that live on Earth..

By the way HEX, the 10 commandments are something you TRY to follow, YOU CAN'T BE PERFECT!!!!! We all disobey our parents/elders, we all lie, we all I am sure have stolen, we have all committed adultery(and don't tell me you haven't, I am sure you have checked out somebody before, if you say you haven't your probably lying..), we have all killed(Thinking bad things about another person and having hatred counts as killing), we have all not followed the 10 commandments, You ask forgiveness and they will be written in Blood, meaning they have been forgiven, since Jesus died on the cross for you and me.. It is IMPOSSIBLE to follow and obey all the commandments without breaking them, you just need to try not to do them.. and that is why they were placed there..

I have a saying and it goes...
"If I am wrong, then I will just die, but if you are wrong and I am right, then you are Doomed.."
Meaning, since I believe in God, and if I am wrong, I will just die and life will continue as it is.. But if you are wrong, and I am right, You will be Doomed... But I know I am right anyways, so I don't have to worry... :)
Only saying... because it is a true fact.. So you might as well believe..
Props on the saying there divine. I really liked it. :)

Not to offend anyone, but the chances of The Science Theory of life, and Christianity (well actually every religion) are less than .05%. Just for this instance, everyone forget everything you thought you knew about religion and science. Now. If I came up to you and told you that everything in life began with nothing. Would you believe me? And what if I told you that theres some guy in the sky, and he makes stuff happen with his fingers. Would you believe me? Answer truthfully.

Also here's my beliefs:

I believe in a person named bob.
He can make anything out of nothing. He also floats and has mystical powers. I also believe that when I die, I will go float with him somewhere.. It will be awesome (Or at least I think it will.. Well thats what I read in a book called, "The book of Bobism.") The book also has stories of people that I don't know about. They tell how they met Bob and how they went floating with him..

Don't offend my religion. Its just like every other religion I know. Just change bob to God and "The book of Bobism" to the bible of the religion.

-The Sk

Yay!!! another Religion thread, Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!! AMEN, GLORY TO GOD, PREACH IT BROTHER!!!!! hahaha... Christianity Rules :D Jesus died on the Cross to save my sins that I commit everyday, as well as you all commit everyday.. He created the place I live in, and my life.. I am sent to rule over all land, air, and ocean life, That is the reason I am human, Not Primate, but a Human You can say I came from one if u want to, but you sure won't see me eating that many bananas or hanging from a tree with a tail... I don't see this world created by a little cell that supposedly burst and made this world as it is now.. Give me strength guys, I wanna see proof that this happened millions and billions of years ago.. plz invent a time machine that works so I may see it.. I really want to guys.. It will be so exciting I bet... hahaha!!!!! thats hilarious.. No bloody cell can make the universe as it is now, come on guys, get real, I mean, the Sun, Ocean, Wildlife, Vegetation, Moon, Weather, Earth with perfect conditions to live on until Jesus comes back, Night and Day separated, Stars, the Human Race, I mean come on now guys.. I believe that we are the superior race sent by God Almighty to rule over all the animals and all others beings that live on Earth..

By the way HEX, the 10 commandments are something you TRY to follow, YOU CAN'T BE PERFECT!!!!! We all disobey our parents/elders, we all lie, we all I am sure have stolen, we have all committed adultery(and don't tell me you haven't, I am sure you have checked out somebody before, if you say you haven't your probably lying..), we have all killed(Thinking bad things about another person and having hatred counts as killing), we have all not followed the 10 commandments, You ask forgiveness and they will be written in Blood, meaning they have been forgiven, since Jesus died on the cross for you and me.. It is IMPOSSIBLE to follow and obey all the commandments without breaking them, you just need to try not to do them.. and that is why they were placed there..

I have a saying and it goes...
"If I am wrong, then I will just die, but if you are wrong and I am right, then you are Doomed.."
Meaning, since I believe in God, and if I am wrong, I will just die and life will continue as it is.. But if you are wrong, and I am right, You will be Doomed... But I know I am right anyways, so I don't have to worry... :)
Only saying... because it is a true fact.. So you might as well believe..


careful now. Hating and thinking ill towards others isn't equal to murder, I think you meant that thinking murder is the same as murder. And God is not fact. I'm a Christian too and I admit that God is not fact.

careful now. Hating and thinking ill towards others isn't equal to murder, I think you meant that thinking murder is the same as murder. And God is not fact. I'm a Christian too and I admit that God is not fact.
I meant what I said, but, if you think differently, then you can :o and I never said God is fact, I said the statement is a fact... not God. lol, I wouldn't ever say that, or else I wouldn't be expressing my opinion of my belief in God >.<

Props on the saying there divine. I really liked it. :)

Not to offend anyone, but the chances of The Science Theory of life, and Christianity (well actually every religion) are less than .05%. Just for this instance, everyone forget everything you thought you knew about religion and science. Now. If I came up to you and told you that everything in life began with nothing. Would you believe me? And what if I told you that theres some guy in the sky, and he makes stuff happen with his fingers. Would you believe me? Answer truthfully.

Also here's my beliefs:

I believe in a person named bob.
He can make anything out of nothing. He also floats and has mystical powers. I also believe that when I die, I will go float with him somewhere.. It will be awesome (Or at least I think it will.. Well thats what I read in a book called, "The book of Bobism.") The book also has stories of people that I don't know about. They tell how they met Bob and how they went floating with him..

Don't offend my religion. Its just like every other religion I know. Just change bob to God and "The book of Bobism" to the bible of the religion.

-The Sk

Your view is uneducated and you show a lack of understanding of the concept itself and an even greater lack to care. If you acctually would appreciate me righting an essay in regards to this I would love to and I mean that seriously and respectfully. But I wont write one if it isn't wanted.

Your view is uneducated and you show a lack of understanding of the concept itself and an even greater lack to care. If you acctually would appreciate me righting an essay in regards to this I would love to and I mean that seriously and respectfully. But I wont write one if it isn't wanted.
Sure, why not? Just take in consideration that I am nor against, or for anything here. I think both "Theory's/Ideas" Are really low in chance. Of course, that's just me, and I haven't really studied into any of the two. . So I can't say I know for a fact what I'm saying is right. Or is even close..

-The Sk

not thank you... not inot that "i rule this" thing... id rather help then rule...

anyway...religiong is what that person believes to be true...just like science.... science and religion are the same... in religion...there are many who mock you and make fun of you for your belief...and in science.... they also make fun of you and mock your beliefs unless its like theirs. and think about it..religion is what you believe...an science is what we believe.
I've considered actually writing two indie books called "The Science Of Religion", and a counterpart, "The Religion Of Science". I have had this concept for some time now; your post thus furthers my initiation in doing so. Thanks, Caboose. :)

glad to help.

and as for religion...im not saying its bad to believe...but jjust dont preach it all over the place like everyone who doesnt believe will burn in hell and will be ass-raped by the devil of reternity....

many religions...and many beliefs...they are based one one thing .... BELIEF!!! look at shiva....the almighty god of hinduism. is blue...has 4 to 6 arms.... and has pink lips... and back then drugs were abundant and pipe-dreams are easy to get.... most religions could be based on a dream of an imaginary thing telling the person what to do... i mean...look at mormanism.... its based on some guy who claims he found golden tablets buried outside his house...but did he show them? no...he came up with many excuses not to.... and you see the humanly realistic racism in it! they believe black people were a curse given to the angels who were nuetra and didnt fight against satan. judism is based on not eating kosher (and other things i forgot). and mostly christianity is based on some man preaching that hew was god's son so he was rightfully king of the jews...and you know what happened? murder...then hs apossals took his body off the cross and put it in a shroud and then put is body in a hidden tomb and closed it with a huge rock.... now the one thing we cant believe why is that the next day... his body dissapeared and the rock was gone...only the shroud remained. there are high possibilities of grave robbers , or maybe he wasnt quite dead yet..... maybe he was almost dead. or some family removed his body and thus buried him.

all rwligion is based on one man encouraging or scaring others into believing him. its all our beliefs people! id rather not think one god right and send all the others to hell... id just rather congradulate and honor those who love their god . for if i am right/wrong in my religion of nuetralness. they will go to the best place they can go in their religion... and if im doomed to go wherever.... ill find a way to have fun there.

glad to help.

and as for religion...im not saying its bad to believe...but jjust dont preach it all over the place like everyone who doesnt believe will burn in hell and will be ass-raped by the devil of reternity....

many religions...and many beliefs...they are based one one thing .... BELIEF!!! look at shiva....the almighty god of hinduism. is blue...has 4 to 6 arms.... and has pink lips... and back then drugs were abundant and pipe-dreams are easy to get.... most religions could be based on a dream of an imaginary thing telling the person what to do... i mean...look at mormanism.... its based on some guy who claims he found golden tablets buried outside his house...but did he show them? no...he came up with many excuses not to.... and you see the humanly realistic racism in it! they believe black people were a curse given to the angels who were nuetra and didnt fight against satan. judism is based on not eating kosher (and other things i forgot). and mostly christianity is based on some man preaching that hew was god's son so he was rightfully king of the jews...and you know what happened? murder...then hs apossals took his body off the cross and put it in a shroud and then put is body in a hidden tomb and closed it with a huge rock.... now the one thing we cant believe why is that the next day... his body dissapeared and the rock was gone...only the shroud remained. there are high possibilities of grave robbers , or maybe he wasnt quite dead yet..... maybe he was almost dead. or some family removed his body and thus buried him.

all rwligion is based on one man encouraging or scaring others into believing him. its all our beliefs people! id rather not think one god right and send all the others to hell... id just rather congradulate and honor those who love their god . for if i am right/wrong in my religion of nuetralness. they will go to the best place they can go in their religion... and if im doomed to go wherever.... ill find a way to have fun there.


Believe when I say this caboose that I'm definitely not trying to start a fight but nearly everything you said just now is nonfactual, opinion based, and completely untrue to the actual facts that are manifested. I'm definitely not trying to start a fight but please DO NOT state your opinion as fact and I would much appreciate it and have more respect for you if you would simply say, "I THINK" or "I believe" before your dialog in this case. Everything you just said is in error. DOn't worry, I'm not just going to say your wrong and expect you to believe me. I'm currently writing a very long post for this thread that isn't directed towards anyone in particular but it will contradict nearly everything you just said. Cheers and peace.

Alright guys, I’m going to cover a bunch of different aspects of Christian apologetics. I will NEVER, in the following post, state my opinion or uneducated assumptions as fact. I checked this post over and I’m checkin it twice. If I stated something as fact, then that means that I validated my information from a liable NON-Christian resource because if I just went on some cutesy Christian website to get all my info then you shouldn’t give a crap of any information I give you. If I accidentally did get a fact wrong or erroneously stated something then I apologize but I don't think I have.

The first subject I’m going talk about is the historical accuracy of the Bible. Is the Bible accurate? Is what we have today what we had back then? Did Jesus really do what it says he did? Was what Jesus SAID actually true? Now for that last question, my argument is based on reason, evidence and logic. My answer to that question is ultimately not fact but you can bet that I’m going to back it up with fact.

Now, I’ve always heard the claim that truth changes and that truth is all a matter of perspective. This of course is illogical fallacy based on the fact that back in history, the concept of a flat earth was both broadcasted and accepted as truth. The fact that this concept was broadcasted as truth didn’t MAKE it truth. Truth never changes, your perspective changes. In regards to a few of you in this case, The Bible has been flat and hopefully I will make it a bit rounder for you. Now before I delve deeper into the historical issues your definition of history is going to change your approach.

History: A knowledge or record of the past based upon testimony. Every historical aspect whether in classical literature or of a more recent date is based upon testimony. Now the first question that should arise when dissecting a peace of history is, “Is the testimony reliable?” To check if any historical piece of writing is authentic, you must apply historiography. To apply historiography you have to use a bibliographical test in doing so and please understand that “Bibli” has nothing to do with “Bible” or Christian doctrine in the word “bibliographical.” Now bibliographical tests two questions of the manuscript and a manuscript is a handwritten copy over a printed copy. The first question is not, “Do you have the original?” its, “can you reproduce the original?” Now in regards to the defining the manuscript: The first question is, “What is the timeline?” now by this we mean the time between the original to the closest copy. The closer the copy to the original in regards to time, the greater the accuracy. Now In this essay I’m mainly going to refer to the New Testament considering that’s where the prime questions and issues in this group are. We look back and see that the first copy of the new testament found is 25-80 after Jesus’ death. As we’ve looked back on ALL the manuscripts of the New Testament, there is not a close second.

Now the question in regards to this personal manuscript is how we know how old it is. Well for one, the scientific autopsies are a very accurate in its determination of age within that relatively short timeline. If that isn’t enough you can determine which time it was written by the style, size and form of letters. The way a letter was formed would change after so many years if looked back and compared. Punctuation and text division is also a way to determine its age. If you have ever looked in the bible you’ll see that the pages formatted strangely. The way the Bible is divided into verses correlates to the time that it was developed. You also study the ornamentation and the art. For example, in a lot of medieval texts, you’ll see the first letter of a page or section elaborately ordained with color and size and shape. This dictates its age as well.

Now here’s something that (if your still reading) you need to pay attention to. Now what is the timeline? The timeline of the new testament is greater than any 10 pieces of classical literature combined. Now in the following, remember that the greater the number of manuscripts we have, the easier it is the reconstruct the original. There are only 10 manuscripts of Caesar and the Gallic wars 1000 years after his death. The manuscripts of the new testament all hand written with NO discrepancies. There were 24,633! Over 6,000 copies in Greek alone. The New testament has the greatest number of accurate manuscripts in history. Your normal book only has 20 in all of history. Now the Iliad! The Iliad, which we all know of, comes in second place in its number of manuscripts with 643. Nearly a 24,000 manuscript difference. Now not only do I personally believe that God gave us his word but also PRESERVED it through the manuscripts. If we say that Jesus never existed or question the validity of the Biblical new testament, then that’s fine. Only realize that you then have no other choice other than to deny the existence of every other classical author, such as Plato, Caesar, Homer, Aristotle, Pliny, Sophocles and anyone else you can think of because the historical evidence supporting the New Testament MORE than greatly outweighs those of any other classical piece of literature. Now in regards to the purity of the manuscripts in accordance to one another:

• The mahaburadas the hindu scriptures are 90.3 percent pure
• The iliad by homer: about 95 percent pure with only 643 manuscipts
• The scriptures of the New testament come out to 99.5 percent pure over 2,000 years AND the other .5 percent is irrelevant to any doctrinal changes

Don’t trust the manuscripts? OK, take all the bibles in the world in every language and burn them. Burn them all. You can reconstruct all but 11 verses of the entire new testament with the Nicene Creed that was formulated by the earliest church fathers. (None of the 11 verses missing are any doctrinal changes) “The purpose of a creed is to act as a yardstick of correct belief. A creed is an epitome, not a full definition, of what is required for orthodoxy. It was hoped that by memorizing this summary of the faith, lay people without extensive theological training would still be able to recognize deviations from orthodox doctrines based on the Bible as interpreted in Christian Tradition. The Nicene Creed, both in its original and revised formulas, is an implicit condemnation of specific beliefs as errors. Thus, as different variations in Christian belief evolved in the fourth century and were perceived as threats, new phrases were seen to be needed, like amendments to a constitution. As the historical developments of a constitutional society can be traced through amendments to its constitution, the particular theological developments in a religious society show in the successive forms of its written creed.” That was the most simplistic definition of the Nicene Creed that I found for today, I didn’t think you guys would feel like reading an essay just on that alone. You can research the Nicene Creed yourself if you want more in depth history.
My point is that BOTH the manuscripts, The Nicene Creed and today’s Bible match up perfectly. This means that no conspiracy could have taken place and that nothing could have been changed for political influence. The bible has been taught as something that it wasn’t in the past for political influence but what we have today is 99.5 percent pure to the original and the other .5 percent, like I said before, has no doctrinal changes. Now, if anyone would like another essay in regards to the old testament, I will, but it’s a lot of writing. Now I’ve also heard all this stuff about how the Bible contradicts itself and all this stuff when in reality, all of the contradictions I’ve read are very narrow minded and uneducated. For example one answer to a contradiction was that the different languages of the Bible won’t change the meaning but change the way that it is stated. The argument didn’t take into account different languages. My point is saying this is, I would prefer not to waist time arguing over “contradictions” but instead challenge you to search for the answers to the claims of contradiction yourself.
I just answered the question of “Is what we have today what we had then?” and now in my next post, which I’m working on now, I’m going to answer, “what was written down in the new testament true?” Did Jesus actually do the things it says. This isn’t answering whether his teachings were valid (which I’ll talk about later). And as I always say: If you didn’t read my post then don’t even reply. If you bring up an argument that I already answered that you were to lazy to read, I’m not going to waist my time.

Oh, and again, this isn't Christian doctrine I just stated. This is all common knowledge accepted by Christians and atheist historians alike. IF you combat these facts your not combating Christianity, you are combating the concept of history itself.

I'm atheist. In my opinion, religion is just the stupid person's way of explaining how everything happened. "Wow, this universe is HUGE, I cannot possibly comprehend how it came around! It must have been an extremely powerful and divine entity!!!!"

Now I am not saying that to insult religions or anyone in person per se, but only because it is my idea of religion.

Sorry, I posted this before I read your post, Spade. I just have one question.
Who exactly wrote the Bible? Or, was it just a doctrine that God somehow placed amongst men, and some guy decided to make it into a book and base Christianity off of it?

BTW Divine, you make think you KNOW that what you say is true, but you don't. There is no fact, only belief. Remember that before the next time you arrogantly say "I KNOW CHRISTIANITY IS THE TRUTH! I KNOW IM GOING TO HEAVEN!!!"

I'm atheist. In my opinion, religion is just the stupid person's way of explaining how everything happened. "Wow, this universe is HUGE, I cannot possibly comprehend how it came around! It must have been an extremely powerful and divine entity!!!!"

Now I am not saying that to insult religions or anyone in person per se, but only because it is my idea of religion.

Sorry, I posted this before I read your post, Spade. I just have one question.
Who exactly wrote the Bible? Or, was it just a doctrine that God somehow placed amongst men, and some guy decided to make it into a book and base Christianity off of it?

BTW Divine, you make think you KNOW that what you say is true, but you don't. There is no fact, only belief. Remember that before the next time you arrogantly say "I KNOW CHRISTIANITY IS THE TRUTH! I KNOW IM GOING TO HEAVEN!!!"


good questions that have good answers. There are 40 authors of the bible through a course of 1500 years. Heres the books and the authors of the Bible:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel / Nathan / Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - A.D. 55
Mark = John Mark - A.D. 50
Luke = Luke - A.D. 60
John = John - A.D. 90
Acts = Luke - A.D. 65
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - A.D. 50-70
Hebrews = unknown, best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.
James = James - A.D. 45
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - A.D. 60
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - A.D. 90
Jude = Jude - A.D. 60
Revelation = John - A.D. 90

Though there are many authors they all convey the exact same message despite being born in different lifetimes and being restricted by land. I will eventually go into this in more depth. I'm primarily talking about the new testament right now but the accounts of Jesus were not written by Jesus' disciples, and the accounts of Jesus were not written for an agenda on the grounds that it is actaully a legal debriefing that was presented to the Roman courts. (there's proof of this outside of the Bible) I'm going to go MUCH more in depth with this particular aspect of the New testament in my next post. In the most basic terms a Christian believes that the writing of the Bible was guided by God.

I had a bad time trying to not say fact in this paragraph :cool:

Malicious, I now know(Based on what you told me) that the bible has a higher chance of being true (Or the evidence it states) than other historical books (or whatever you like to call books). I now Accept that Jesus did live. He did say what he said, and he did do what he did. Now, we have to take into consideration the time when this took place. I know that truth never changes, like you said, only the perspective does. But time is a important factor of perspective. We know what a car is, back then they didn't. Meaning, that if they saw a car back then, they wouldn't know what it was.. They would just assume that it was something mystical. Why? Because they don't know the things that people can do. Maybe we don't know that we can do something (For example time travel) based on our present knowledge. Maybe there's a way to do all those things Jesus did, like turn water to wine, etc. Maybe there is a way to do this, but only he knew how. Or maybe he had paranormal powers because he was the child of a mystical entity like the Bible states. What I'm trying to say is that we won't never be sure of what really happened back then.

Another thing I want to point out is, how was the bible written by so many people in different times? Did one person write in it, and pass it on to other generations?

Also, the bible was originally written in a different language than English right? How exactly did they translate that language to English? Did they do it manually or by a translator? We all know that Human Translators, as well as Programmed Translators can be wrong. We can say something, and it means something else in another language. For example, the saying, "Its raining cats and dogs.", that clearly means that it is raining hard. Not really cats and dogs. Well that's what we take that phrase for. Maybe its taken for something different in other languages. Like in French, if you say that phrase, they will take it literally, thinking you are crazy.

-The Sk

I had a bad time trying to not say fact in this paragraph :cool:

Malicious, I now know(Based on what you told me) that the bible has a higher chance of being true (Or the evidence it states) than other historical books (or whatever you like to call books). I now Accept that Jesus did live. He did say what he said, and he did do what he did. Now, we have to take into consideration the time when this took place. I know that truth never changes, like you said, only the perspective does. But time is a important factor of perspective. We know what a car is, back then they didn't. Meaning, that if they saw a car back then, they wouldn't know what it was.. They would just assume that it was something mystical. Why? Because they don't know the things that people can do. Maybe we don't know that we can do something (For example time travel) based on our present knowledge. Maybe there's a way to do all those things Jesus did, like turn water to wine, etc. Maybe there is a way to do this, but only he knew how. Or maybe he had paranormal powers because he was the child of a mystical entity like the Bible states. What I'm trying to say is that we won't never be sure of what really happened back then.

Another thing I want to point out is, how was the bible written by so many people in different times? Did one person write in it, and pass it on to other generations?

Also, the bible was originally written in a different language than English right? How exactly did they translate that language to English? Did they do it manually or by a translator? We all know that Human Translators, as well as Programmed Translators can be wrong. We can say something, and it means something else in another language. For example, the saying, "Its raining cats and dogs.", that clearly means that it is raining hard. Not really cats and dogs. Well that's what we take that phrase for. Maybe its taken for something different in other languages. Like in French, if you say that phrase, they will take it literally, thinking you are crazy.

-The Sk


In regards to the first point regarding the timeline and the so called "miracles." You have to take all the miracles into account. Many illusionists today can create certain performances like changing water into wine and all that jazz or at least visually changing a glass of water into something visually similar to wine. For example, using the laws of science, matter can neither be created or destroyed. There were 5 loaves, 2 fishes that Jesus fed 5,000 people with. There may be a day when a scientist can manipulate and create new matter in such a way as to imitate this miracle but there will never be a day when you can create new matter out of a simplistic way of knowledge that we are perhaps overlooking without some type of super advanced piece of machinery. There was also a miracle where Jesus heals a man's son without even being in the vicinity. Jesus heals this person because of the faith that the father had that Jesus was who he said he was. The point is that the only semi-rational proposition is that Jesus was either A) had abilities outside of normal humans including today's or B) He was the son of God. Either way your acknowledging that Jesus was not normal. You can either wait for it to be proven capable of average humans to create matter or heal people without even being present or you can assume that Jesus was who he said he was. Now, don't worry, I'm going to write not only about the validity of of the Bible as a whole but I'm now going to write about "Is what Jesus did true?" I'm going to explain the validity of miracles in my next post after this particular discussion is over.

The Bible was written by over 40 authors and most of them didn't even make contact. Deciding which books were to be included was done by senior priests based on general agreement that each book was authentic (written by the person identified as its author) and divinely inspired. Now for this concept to be accepted you would have to be a christian because if you don't believe that God guided them then this of course won't make logical sense without faith.

in regards to the different translations: your most definitely right. The translations most definitely get altered but not to the point of direct invalidation of eachother. Now I think that it would be better for you if I just admit that I don't know much about this particular subject. To the best of my knowledge at this point, the translations are kept very close and the NKJV is a great english translation. I do know that the Hebrew and Greek translations are the best. Considering that I don't read those languages, I use several different english translations together that I am told is a very close second to the Hebrew and Greek. I can trust this because intellectuals who understand Greek and Hebrew would directly shun the english translations but they don't.

In regards to the first point regarding the timeline and the so called "miracles." You have to take all the miracles into account. Many illusionists today can create certain performances like changing water into wine and all that jazz or at least visually changing a glass of water into something visually similar to wine. For example, using the laws of science, matter can neither be created or destroyed. There were 5 loaves, 2 fishes that Jesus fed 5,000 people with. There may be a day when a scientist can manipulate and create new matter in such a way as to imitate this miracle but there will never be a day when you can create new matter out of a simplistic way of knowledge that we are perhaps overlooking without some type of super advanced piece of machinery. There was also a miracle where Jesus heals a man's son without even being in the vicinity. Jesus heals this person because of the faith that the father had that Jesus was who he said he was. The point is that the only semi-rational proposition is that Jesus was either A) had abilities outside of normal humans including today's or B) He was the son of God. Either way your acknowledging that Jesus was not normal. You can either wait for it to be proven capable of average humans to create matter or heal people without even being present or you can assume that Jesus was who he said he was. Now, don't worry, I'm going to write not only about the validity of of the Bible as a whole but I'm now going to write about "Is what Jesus did true?" I'm going to explain the validity of miracles in my next post after this particular discussion is over.

The Bible was written by over 40 authors and most of them didn't even make contact. Deciding which books were to be included was done by senior priests based on general agreement that each book was authentic (written by the person identified as its author) and divinely inspired. Now for this concept to be accepted you would have to be a christian because if you don't believe that God guided them then this of course won't make logical sense without faith.

in regards to the different translations: your most definitely right. The translations most definitely get altered but not to the point of direct invalidation of eachother. Now I think that it would be better for you if I just admit that I don't know much about this particular subject. To the best of my knowledge at this point, the translations are kept very close and the NKJV is a great english translation. I do know that the Hebrew and Greek translations are the best. Considering that I don't read those languages, I use several different english translations together that I am told is a very close second to the Hebrew and Greek. I can trust this because intellectuals who understand Greek and Hebrew would directly shun the english translations but they don't.
Alright thanks man. I think its fair enough for you to start asking questions.. cus you already wrote alot lol.

And divine helped a little I guess.. with his "I'm right you're wrong, deal with it" thing.. He should do what you're doing. I don't know but it seems like you're talking in a way that makes it seem you're not a christian.. just a guy that knows about it.. alot about it lol. I like it.. :)

Also I like how you're not shoving anything down people's throat. Like some people.. using fear of hell to try and convert us or something..

-The Sk

Alright thanks man. I think its fair enough for you to start asking questions.. cus you already wrote alot lol.

And divine helped a little I guess.. with his "I'm right you're wrong, deal with it" thing.. He should do what you're doing. I don't know but it seems like you're talking in a way that makes it seem you're not a christian.. just a guy that knows about it.. alot about it lol. I like it.. :)

Also I like how you're not shoving anything down people's throat. Like some people.. using fear of hell to try and convert us or something..

-The Sk

Thanks a lot for saying that, I'm always worried that I sound like a jerk. lol

I dont't underst and Christianity; if you do bad things; then you're going to hell, right? One commandment says "Thou shalt not murder" in wars; people murder all the time; are you going to hell for that? What if you are doing bad; but in your mind; you think that it's good? Do you go to hell for that? And since the bible wasn't originally in english; it could have been messed up in so many ways while it was translated; if they had a translator; they could have easily been bribed. I'm not saying that's what happened; nobody was there to prove how it was made; but I am just pointing out a possibility. When was the bible made? I mean if that is what the religon is based on; I can create a time machine; make a bible saying that I'm a god and should be worshiped and get somebody to show it to the public for me; does that mean there will be a religon named after me?

I do not wish to offend in any way at all; I am just curious; sorry if it offends anybody.

I dont't underst and Christianity; if you do bad things; then you're going to hell, right? One commandment says "Thou shalt not murder" in wars; people murder all the time; are you going to hell for that? What if you are doing bad; but in your mind; you think that it's good? Do you go to hell for that? And since the bible wasn't originally in english; it could have been messed up in so many ways while it was translated; if they had a translator; they could have easily been bribed. I'm not saying that's what happened; nobody was there to prove how it was made; but I am just pointing out a possibility. When was the bible made? I mean if that is what the religon is based on; I can create a time machine; make a bible saying that I'm a god and should be worshiped and get somebody to show it to the public for me; does that mean there will be a religon named after me?

I do not wish to offend in any way at all; I am just curious; sorry if it offends anybody.


I'm sorry but you didn't read my long post. And no you don't go to hell for doing bad things. I'm going to make another long post soon that explains more, but vkx, the Bible in this case could not have been bribed in its translation. Read my post and see if that answers anything.

I dont't underst and Christianity; if you do bad things; then you're going to hell, right? One commandment says "Thou shalt not murder" in wars; people murder all the time; are you going to hell for that? What if you are doing bad; but in your mind; you think that it's good? Do you go to hell for that? And since the bible wasn't originally in english; it could have been messed up in so many ways while it was translated; if they had a translator; they could have easily been bribed. I'm not saying that's what happened; nobody was there to prove how it was made; but I am just pointing out a possibility. When was the bible made? I mean if that is what the religon is based on; I can create a time machine; make a bible saying that I'm a god and should be worshiped and get somebody to show it to the public for me; does that mean there will be a religon named after me?

I do not wish to offend in any way at all; I am just curious; sorry if it offends anybody.
You Can Not Be Perfect, I said this in my earlier post, It is IMPOSSIBLE TO BE PERFECT AND SINLESS... But, when you ask for forgiveness, your sins are gone since you asked for them to be forgiven.. but, We all sin and fall sort of the 10 commandments... I do it everyday.. so does everyone else.. No, you don't go to hell for murdering, like I said earlier, If you feel anger and hatred towards another person, it is just like murdering.. Malicious may have another opinion on it, but, we all don't obey our parents, shoot, thats hard for me, but I try.. But, if you ask forgiveness of your sins, u will be cleansed...
The bible was made about 1400 B.C. as Malicious already stated in an earlier post, and was finished in 90 A.D. There are still some missing books I believe... But the Bible was written by different people throughout the Bible in which God laid on their hearts to write these books, Paul is a main person who did this.. I am sure there were people watching the Translator very closely and people who went back over it to make sure No errors were made..

Yea Vkx, he said that on his last post. . Also I want to make a point here for anyone in a religion..


If you are in a religion, you don't necessarily have to be a Creationist..
This is how I believe its broken down into..

Religion-ist-__Creationist___-Young earth
________________________-Old Earth___-Evolution After Creation
____________________________________-Creation, death, Creation

____________-Evolutionist__-Evolution After Creation
_________________________-BigBang evolutionist

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Religionist-Creationist-Young Earth: To be in a Religion, Believe that God created us, and the world is not millions of years old...

Religionist-Creationist-Old Earth-Evolution after Creation: To Be in a religion, believe that God created the Dinos and they eventually evolved into us.. And that the world is millions of years old

Religionist-Creationist-Old Earth-Creation, Death, Creation: To Be in a religion, believe that God Created the Dinos, then ended them, and created us.

Religionist-Evolutionist-Evolution after Creation: To be in a religion, believe that God Created Dinos, then they eventually evolved into us.

Religionist-Evolutionist-BigBang Evolutionist: To be in a religion, believe that God created the BigBang and then dinos (Primates) eventually evolved into us..

Sorry if its a bit confusing....

-The Sk

Yea Vkx, he said that on his last post. . Also I want to make a point here for anyone in a religion..


If you are in a religion, you don't necessarily have to be a Creationist..
This is how I believe its broken down into..

Religion-ist-__Creationist___-Young earth
________________________-Old Earth___-Evolution After Creation
____________________________________-Creation, death, Creation

____________-Evolutionist__-Evolution After Creation
_________________________-BigBang evolutionist

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Religionist-Creationist-Young Earth: To be in a Religion, Believe that God created us, and the world is not millions of years old...

Religionist-Creationist-Old Earth-Evolution after Creation: To Be in a religion, believe that God created the Dinos and they eventually evolved into us.. And that the world is millions of years old

Religionist-Creationist-Old Earth-Creation, Death, Creation: To Be in a religion, believe that God Created the Dinos, then ended them, and created us.

Religionist-Evolutionist-Evolution after Creation: To be in a religion, believe that God Created Dinos, then they eventually evolved into us.

Religionist-Evolutionist-BigBang Evolutionist: To be in a religion, believe that God created the BigBang and then that dinos (Pirmates) eventually evolved into us..

Sorry if its a bit confusing....

-The Sk


yeah, that makes sense. I'm kinda a mixture of both. I don't believe in evolution (save micro evolution) but an old earth is still a consideration to me based on my knowledge at this point. I still lean towards a young earth though, but that could change.

Lol, MN, i thought you said you werent going to write epic length posts!

You Can Not Be Perfect, I said this in my earlier post, It is IMPOSSIBLE TO BE PERFECT AND SINLESS... But, when you ask for forgiveness, your sins are gone since you asked for them to be forgiven.. but, We all sin and fall sort of the 10 commandments... I do it everyday.. so does everyone else.. No, you don't go to hell for murdering, like I said earlier, If you feel anger and hatred towards another person, it is just like murdering.. Malicious may have another opinion on it, but, we all don't obey our parents, shoot, thats hard for me, but I try.. But, if you ask forgiveness of your sins, u will be cleansed...
The bible was made about 1400 B.C. as Malicious already stated in an earlier post, and was finished in 90 A.D. There are still some missing books I believe... But the Bible was written by different people throughout the Bible in which God laid on their hearts to write these books, Paul is a main person who did this.. I am sure there were people watching the Translator very closely and people who went back over it to make sure No errors were made..


Oh, I see; so a mass murderer or a person who committed genocide can just go to a church, ask for forgiveness; and all is well?

If they mean it.. But, that doesn't mean to sin just as much as you want to so you can ask forgiveness...

That is very odd; that's like me going to your house and slicing open your chest with a knife; then coming to the hospital to find you on life support to say sorry and you reply "It's alright." I just don't understand it. I also don't understand why Christianity is right, and all other religons are supposedly wrong; what would be the point of other religions if only one is true?

Oh, I see; so a mass murderer or a person who committed genocide can just go to a church, ask for forgiveness; and all is well?

no. Its a matter of the heart and not the act. You can't just ask for forgivness; you must acknowledge that Jesus is your savior and that he alone can redeem you. you must have a heart of repentance.

Okay; but what about other religons, are they all untrue?

That is very odd; that's like me going to your house and slicing open your chest with a knife; then coming to the hospital to find you on life support to say sorry and you reply "It's alright." I just don't understand it. I also don't understand why Christianity is right, and all other religons are supposedly wrong; what would be the point of other religions if only one is true?


There can not be more than one correct religion. Not only is it unbiblical, conflicting with most religions, but is also illogical. It's either NO religion or one religion. I've been told that there is two forms of logic (but in fact there's more) There's the western way of thinking and the eastern way of thinking. The Western logic is one way or none at all. The red car is either parked in front of my house or it is not. If it is not parked in front of my house then it is not there at all. With the Eastern logic the car can be both there and not there at the same time. All truths are valid truths. The very definition of the Eastern way of thinking contradicts itself because if it is indeed correct then it is therefore incorrect in stating a truth because the nemesis of itself is therefore true as well. There cannot be two contradicting truths. I think that your viewing religions as a hobby or a tool for politics or a simple lifestyle when in reality is the window in which you view life and all that it encumbers. I think that Christianity is 100% spiritual and relational and 0% religious.

Okay; but what about other religons, are they all untrue?

Yes. I think that I explained it good enough above. Either ALL religions are a joke or ONE is correct. I think that logically speaking and hypothetically speaking, if there was indeed ONE true religion, it would simply be inevitable for other religions to be established that contradict. I think the fact that there are many religions shouldn't abolish the concept that there is still indeed one particular truth.

Oh and HEX...what can I say? Its hard for me to stand on the sidelines. lol

Believe when I say this caboose that I'm definitely not trying to start a fight but nearly everything you said just now is nonfactual, opinion based, and completely untrue to the actual facts that are manifested. I'm definitely not trying to start a fight but please DO NOT state your opinion as fact and I would much appreciate it and have more respect for you if you would simply say, "I THINK" or "I believe" before your dialog in this case. Everything you just said is in error. DOn't worry, I'm not just going to say your wrong and expect you to believe me. I'm currently writing a very long post for this thread that isn't directed towards anyone in particular but it will contradict nearly everything you just said. Cheers and peace.

i dont take offense...but the mormon religion thing IS fact.... a youtube cartoon vid made by the mormon church...but then later banned it because of some racist veiws. and the jewish thing.... i dont really know alot about it...but oh well.

as for your veiws..they belong to you and you alone and i admit i dont STUDY religions. i just so happen to see it sometimes while channel surfing or whilst on youtube.

i was trying to make a point that all religion is actually what some people believe. I THINK and HAVE READ that most christianity was made when jesus claimed being god's son and started to preach and perform miracles...but then he was killed and his body dissapeared. but then the ten commandments showed up when one man claimed god told him to write... now this is just a possible example that most religion is a group of one man in different times claiming a god spoke to him...sometimes they lied to gwet attention or power...and sometimes its true...but who knows? we need to just accept the fact that we know nothing...we believe everything...but if we knew...tht means its true...and nothing we have studied is true...oculd be wrong..could not be... but for now... all we can do is try.

There can not be more than one correct religion. Not only is it unbiblical, conflicting with most religions, but is also illogical. It's either NO religion or one religion. I've been told that there is two forms of logic (but in fact there's more) There's the western way of thinking and the eastern way of thinking. The Western logic is one way or none at all. The red car is either parked in front of my house or it is not. If it is not parked in front of my house then it is not there at all. With the Eastern logic the car can be both there and not there at the same time. All truths are valid truths. The very definition of the Eastern way of thinking contradicts itself because if it is indeed correct then it is therefore incorrect in stating a truth because the nemesis of itself is therefore true as well. There cannot be two contradicting truths. I think that your viewing religions as a hobby or a tool for politics or a simple lifestyle when in reality is the window in which you view life and all that it encumbers. I think that Christianity is 100% spiritual and relational and 0% religious.

Oh, so Christianity is right and all other religons aren't true at all and shouldn't have even existed? That's probably not the way you are trying to explain though it sounds like that to me.

thats just the way religion is...they believe people who dont follow their religion is wrong and deserves to die and/or go to hell.

thats why i dont completely follow a religion. i just stay on the possible god's good side for now.

That is why I am an Athiest. Give me solid 100% proof that God exists (Nothing like a person claming to see him, the Grand Canyon etc.) that God exists; something real and I will believe. That isn't currently possible so I stay an Athiest.

and nothing wrong with it...your choice and thus you will hopefully accept your fate if god does exist... im not saying anything or hoping anything.. im hoping you accept the fact that god (if he does exist) might punish people and/or/maybe you.

and i do if i get punished if he exists.

A question that has arose from my thinking is "will our beliefs one day expire when a new majority religion takes over"?

For example, look at Greco-Roman polytheism/Paganism. In the textbooks, and most people you meet, save for those in neo-contemporary revival circles, consider it obsolete. Why is this? Well, for one, the arisal of a Christian religious monopoly toppled directly over the Greco-Roman ideals, thereby nullifying it. Another reason is time; time did not harbor the dispersing beliefs as it did the vastly growing faith in Christianity. The near eradication in religion grew worse, except for the adversity in Generation X.

What I'm hinting at, is that one day, when the ever growing beliefs do finally overcome Christianity, that ideal will be printed as old and dulled in the textbooks. And when that new religion is discarded, a new one will come about. And so on, and so on.

The only spared ones are the minor religions, (excluding cults) but their beliefs will change, for the better or worse.

So as that, I find it out of place that any of us can justify our beliefs except for agnostics, and those who never decide.

How does a man believe one religion is right over the other when his belief will inevitably be discredited and put away?

I find myself asking this more and more every day. Can any one provide some perspective?

caboose, please don't reply or discuss within my posts anymore, I think that would be the best course of action. vkx, yes your correct. That's not just Christianity, that's just about every religion in existence. Just logic alone shows that its either one correct religion or all wrong.

I of course can't give you 100% proof vkx and neither can you give me a 100% proof of a naturalistic origin or whatever it is you believe. If you don't think that a naturalistic world view is based on a philosophy outside of the scientific method you are mistaken. To say that the naturalistic worldview is any more scientifically accurate than the concept of creation is fallacy.

and i must request to not double post malicious nun. and as for you not wanting me to respond t your post..fine by me.

our religions will one day all be replaced...and if not..than that means we would have already been doomed by our own hatred and ingnorance . then let us all hope that there IS a god. let us ALL hope there is a god.

A question that has arose from my thinking is "will our beliefs one day expire when a new majority religion takes over"?

For example, look at Greco-Roman polytheism/Paganism. In the textbooks, and most people you meet, save for those in neo-contemporary revival circles, consider it obsolete. Why is this? Well, for one, the arisal of a Christian religious monopoly toppled directly over the Greco-Roman ideals, thereby nullifying it. Another reason is time; time did not harbor the dispersing beliefs as it did the vastly growing faith in Christianity. The near eradication in religion grew worse, except for the adversity in Generation X.

What I'm hinting at, is that one day, when the ever growing beliefs do finally overcome Christianity, that ideal will be printed as old and dulled in the textbooks. And when that new religion is discarded, a new one will come about. And so on, and so on.

The only spared ones are the minor religions, (excluding cults) but their beliefs will change, for the better or worse.

So as that, I find it out of place that any of us can justify our beliefs except for agnostics, and those who never decide.

How does a man believe one religion is right over the other when his belief will inevitably be discredited and put away?

I find myself asking this more and more every day. Can any one provide some perspective?


Well, I think that your absolutely correct in what your referring to but I don't think that what you are referring to matches up with Christianity simply because you are viewing it as an institution. What you are talking about is definitely a reality and I PERSONALLY believe as a christian that God has and will continue to uphold his word throughout time. The fact that the Bible has been upheld with 99.5 percent accuracy, (without the other .5 percent creating any doctrinal conflicts) throughout a ridiculously large span of time is nothing short of amazing. Being a man of faith, I believe that the barrier of time in which you logically spoke, has and will continue to have no affect on the vigor of the Christian community. It hasn't even up until today (the christian community is still vastly growing).

i didn't double post

Prophet, I semi-agree with what you said. I had always believed that religion isn't bad, but its not something for people to go crazy about. As in go killing people because of it. What I also hate is that, like in Christianity, they judge people that don't believe in it. Like Divine for example. In an older Religion thread, he stated that everyone that didn't believe in Christianity would go to hell. Thats why it was deleted/closed.

On a side note, I wonder what would happen if a Law comes out in the U.S.A against something that Christians follow. Right now the political system and Christianity fit as one.

Christians say: Thou shall not steal.
Law says: Don't steal, its illegal.

Ok but what if that changed. What if law contradicted Religion? For example, pretend Congress says its legal to steal. Well, what would Religion do? Will they try to face Politicians? Will they start riots? Or will they just accept it and somehow do something to say that its ok to steal in Christianity?

I think that the last one will happen but who knows?

-The Sk

Religion is just a system of control. Just something to keep us from going insane. Just a purpose for the weak.

Religion is just a system of control. Just something to keep us from going insane. Just a purpose for the weak.

I find that to be an arrogant, uneducated, biased, hick statement for the weak of mind. Especially when you state your opinion as fact. Get out unless you want to bring a logical argument to the table.

Prophet, I semi-agree with what you said. I had always believed that religion isn't bad, but its not something for people to go crazy about. As in go killing people because of it. What I also hate is that, like in Christianity, they judge people that don't believe in it. Like Divine for example. In an older Religion thread, he stated that everyone that didn't believe in Christianity would go to hell. Thats why it was deleted/closed.

On a side note, I wonder what would happen if a Law comes out in the U.S.A against something that Christians follow. Right now the political system and Christianity fit as one.

Christians say: Thou shall not steal.
Law says: Don't steal, its illegal.

Ok but what if that changed. What if law contradicted Religion? For example, pretend Congress says its legal to steal. Well, what would Religion do? Will they try to face Politicians? Will they start riots? Or will they just accept it and somehow do something to say that its ok to steal in Christianity?

I think that the last one will happen but who knows?

-The Sk


Your questions already been answered in history. Not only has there been a law passed that directly contradicts a christian belief but there's been laws passed that directly outlawed christianity. (not in america yet). The christians took their beliefs to the grave without changing their ideals and dieing for them. i doubt that christians today will suddenly lose their balls and change the whole christian doctrine because we can now steal or some poppy-cock like that. They'd most definitely take on the politicians and if they lost, they would not compromise.

I find that to be an arrogant, uneducated, biased, hick statement for the weak of mind. Especially when you state your opinion as fact. Get out unless you want to bring a logical argument to the table.Keep your claws sheathed.

I never said my opinion was fact... Really, who knows who is right? Maybe Christians, maybe Jews, maybe Scientologists (well, not the latter).

I personally think that religion was invented by some brilliant leader who wanted to keep his people from clawing eachother to death...

A system of control.

It also presents a conveniant reason for existance. Serving one's god.

All in all, I dont hate religion. I dont really believe in it, but I think it has served its purpose efficiently. Kept people from killing eachother and given hope to those who needed it.

Also, Spartan Killer, beliefs are ALWAYS stronger than any law or form of matter.

Your questions already been answered in history. Not only has there been a law passed that directly contradicts a christian belief but there's been laws passed that directly outlawed christianity. (not in america yet). The christians took their beliefs to the grave without changing their ideals and dieing for them. i doubt that christians today will suddenly lose their balls and change the whole christian doctrine because we can now steal or some poppy-cock like that. They'd most definitely take on the politicians and if they lost, they would not compromise.
Oh well.. That goes that..

-The Sk

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Prophet, I semi-agree with what you said. I had always believed that religion isn't bad, but its not something for people to go crazy about. As in go killing people because of it. What I also hate is that, like in Christianity, they judge people that don't believe in it. Like Divine for example. In an older Religion thread, he stated that everyone that didn't believe in Christianity would go to hell. Thats why it was deleted/closed.

On a side note, I wonder what would happen if a Law comes out in the U.S.A against something that Christians follow. Right now the political system and Christianity fit as one.

Christians say: Thou shall not steal.
Law says: Don't steal, its illegal.

Ok but what if that changed. What if law contradicted Religion? For example, pretend Congress says its legal to steal. Well, what would Religion do? Will they try to face Politicians? Will they start riots? Or will they just accept it and somehow do something to say that its ok to steal in Christianity?

I think that the last one will happen but who knows?

-The Sk
Well, just look at the authorization of same-sex marriage in Massachusettes. It blatantly defies the belief of the majority of Christians. I think it was a great step, personally.

I don't believe it converted people, but it angered people, just affirming their idiocy. But, Christianity is subject to change with the majority of belief/the law just like you said.

Well, just look at the authorization of same-sex marriage in Massachusettes. It blatantly defies the belief of the majority of Christians. I think it was a great step, personally.

I don't believe it converted people, but it angered people, just affirming their idiocy. But, Christianity is subject to change with the majority of belief/the law just like you said.The reason its seen as a taboo is that homosexuality is unconventional. Those who are scared of change fear it.

I dont care, frankly. Do whatever the hell you want, folks. Be happy.

Your questions already been answered in history. Not only has there been a law passed that directly contradicts a christian belief but there's been laws passed that directly outlawed christianity. (not in america yet). The christians took their beliefs to the grave without changing their ideals and dieing for them. i doubt that christians today will suddenly lose their balls and change the whole christian doctrine because we can now steal or some poppy-cock like that. They'd most definitely take on the politicians and if they lost, they would not compromise.
What about in Saudi Arabia? Christianity is outlawed, and most people there are Islamic/Muslim. Christianity is mostly receded from the Middle East now.

What about in Saudi Arabia? Christianity is outlawed, and most people there are Islamic/Muslim. Christianity is mostly receded from the Middle East now.Good point.

Religion can move, I guess... After all the persecution, these religions havent died. They might have shifted or moved, but were not extinguished.

What about in Saudi Arabia? Christianity is outlawed, and most people there are Islamic/Muslim. Christianity is mostly receded from the Middle East now.

Well the question is what's the cause? The 10 40 window is I think 99.9 percent muslim or at least non christian. Besides that example is not a correct in accordance to what spartan killer was saying. Saudi arabia has never had a high population of christians to begin with. Its not that an extremely high number of chrisitans there converted to Islam its that there were only like....2 over there to begin with.

Mmm. Acknowledged.

I find that to be an arrogant, uneducated, biased, hick statement for the weak of mind. Especially when you state your opinion as fact. Get out unless you want to bring a logical argument to the table.
ok now...i was reading..and then saw this...do you see malicious on how mean you come off as? that was kind of his belief of religion... i admit it WAS abit ignorant of him to say...but still...harsh.

as ive said before...religion is like science...started with one man and then a series of men claiming somehting to be true and anything else false and stupid.

Of course I realize how I came across. I thought he was being illogical and arrogant and I called him out on it. That's it. Get over it. Stay out of my business. Your trying to start a fight.

no im not.... and dont accuse me of anything... i was simply trying to make you know (if you didnt already...but you did so it was pointless) how mean and jerk-ish you come across at times. thats all

hows the book coming along? what was it called? "the religion of science" and "the science of religion" ? and im refering to that one guy...whats his name again? VKX? AZN? im sure it was VKX...... (and dont laugh if im actually thinking that he might actually be writing the book....my nerdy friend's-friend wrote a friken script for a play all official and huge...just for fun!!)

no im not.... and dont accuse me of anything... i was simply trying to make you know (if you didnt already...but you did so it was pointless) how mean and jerk-ish you come across at times. thats all

hows the book coming along? what was it called? "the religion of science" and "the science of religion" ? and im refering to that one guy...whats his name again? VKX? AZN? im sure it was VKX...... (and dont laugh if im actually thinking that he might actually be writing the book....my nerdy friend's-friend wrote a friken script for a play all official and huge...just for fun!!)
WTF. That was me.

lol my bad....i have the mind of a stoner sometimes... i forget important things easily sometimes lol

Well, i'm back to straight Atheist; Pastafarian got a bit boring.
Oh well.

Something that i'd like to call attention to: if this is the Ultimate Religion Thread, why arent we debating which religion is the ultimate one?

I reckon it is Atheism, because you dont have to do anything, believe in anything, you dont have to go to church, you dont have to repent, and you dont have to put up with all this "Oh shit, i hope i get into heaven, what if i get damnation!!??" rubbish.
However, you can still lead a fullfilling and joyous life, and be good to others and to yourself! You dont need a bunch of priests to tell you every Sunday to Behave, because that is what Society and Parents and School does. It builds morals into us.
You dont have to believe in Science, either; there are some theories i find hard to believe (like the Big Bang), but that doesnt stop me thinking of science as (mostly) logical.
Finally, there is no discrimination to suffer for being religious; since you dont have a religion, there is nothing to discriminate!

That is why i think Atheism is the Ultimate State of Mind. (not religion, not belief system, just a state of mind)

Well, i'm back to straight Atheist; Pastafarian got a bit boring.
Oh well.

Something that i'd like to call attention to: if this is the Ultimate Religion Thread, why arent we debating which religion is the ultimate one?

I reckon it is Atheism, because you dont have to do anything, believe in anything, you dont have to go to church, you dont have to repent, and you dont have to put up with all this "Oh shit, i hope i get into heaven, what if i get damnation!!??" rubbish.
However, you can still lead a fullfilling and joyous life, and be good to others and to yourself! You dont need a bunch of priests to tell you every Sunday to Behave, because that is what Society and Parents and School does. It builds morals into us.
You dont have to believe in Science, either; there are some theories i find hard to believe (like the Big Bang), but that doesnt stop me thinking of science as (mostly) logical.
Finally, there is no discrimination to suffer for being religious; since you dont have a religion, there is nothing to discriminate!

That is why i think Atheism is the Ultimate State of Mind. (not religion, not belief system, just a state of mind)Thats exactly what I said. I think religion is just ment to drill morals into people...

I agree with you Hex, It's good to be an Athiest.

aaaaah...but you need to also deal witht he discrimination from the religious people saying you are demons...will go to hell....and unrepenting heathon assholes. those crazy religions basically have abounty on atheist's heads and treat you with distastefullnes and hatred just because you dont believe. nutralism... lol its kinda like atheism...just the fact we try to stay on his good side if he does exist...and nobody's got shit on us because we are enither unreligious or religious!

we beleive in making disciples for jesus christ by giving the good news of his death for our sins.
this is kinda sad but i did not know that and i go to the same church as you but hippie and i are united methodist/southern baptist our church is a lot of fun i mean there are like 15 people we all somtimes put our hands up and belt it like lynnyrd skynnyrd

my religion is school... lol....its my job too.

Well, i'm back to straight Atheist; Pastafarian got a bit boring.
Oh well.

Something that i'd like to call attention to: if this is the Ultimate Religion Thread, why arent we debating which religion is the ultimate one?

I reckon it is Atheism, because you dont have to do anything, believe in anything, you dont have to go to church, you dont have to repent, and you dont have to put up with all this "Oh shit, i hope i get into heaven, what if i get damnation!!??" rubbish.
However, you can still lead a fullfilling and joyous life, and be good to others and to yourself! You dont need a bunch of priests to tell you every Sunday to Behave, because that is what Society and Parents and School does. It builds morals into us.
You dont have to believe in Science, either; there are some theories i find hard to believe (like the Big Bang), but that doesnt stop me thinking of science as (mostly) logical.
Finally, there is no discrimination to suffer for being religious; since you dont have a religion, there is nothing to discriminate!

That is why i think Atheism is the Ultimate State of Mind. (not religion, not belief system, just a state of mind)
All you gotta do in Christianity is Believe that God sent his son(Jesus) to die on the cross for all our sins we committed. In Christianity, you don't have to go to church dude, it is just a way to get more closer to God, I don't go every Sunday.. Well you don't have to repent every little sin you did, because you sin so much that it is way to many to count, Some churches believe that you have to repent every sin you committed, but I am a Baptist, and I do not for the reason I gave you. About the "Oh shit" part, well tbh, I don't worry about where I am going, because I already know where I am going. I live a joyous life, I don't put all my life in God, God only asks for maybe 2 hours of your time each week on Sunday, how many hours is this out of a week??? thats 2 hours out of 168 hours in 1 week... All God asks for basically. My preacher doesn't tell me how to live my life.. If he did that, then I would not be playing rated M games and watching R rated movies. I mean really, church is just to go give thanks to God for what he did for us, and to get closer to him. If you ever do go to a church, I recommend a Baptist church, just because they aren't like other churches like Catholic. Catholic believe in about same things, they just worship "differently". But yeah dude, I do the same stuff as you do, just my belief is different.. Just saying that you don't gotta do all this to get to Heaven as some churches believe you do..

All you gotta do in Christianity is Believe that God sent his son(Jesus) to die on the cross for all our sins we committed. In Christianity, you don't have to go to church dude, it is just a way to get more closer to God, I don't go every Sunday.. Well you don't have to repent every little sin you did, because you sin so much that it is way to many to count, Some churches believe that you have to repent every sin you committed, but I am a Baptist, and I do not for the reason I gave you. About the "Oh shit" part, well tbh, I don't worry about where I am going, because I already know where I am going. I live a joyous life, I don't put all my life in God, God only asks for maybe 2 hours of your time each week on Sunday, how many hours is this out of a week??? thats 2 hours out of 168 hours in 1 week... All God asks for basically. My preacher doesn't tell me how to live my life.. If he did that, then I would not be playing rated M games and watching R rated movies. I mean really, church is just to go give thanks to God for what he did for us, and to get closer to him. If you ever do go to a church, I recommend a Baptist church, just because they aren't like other churches like Catholic. Catholic believe in about same things, they just worship "differently". But yeah dude, I do the same stuff as you do, just my belief is different.. Just saying that you don't gotta do all this to get to Heaven as some churches believe you do..
I recommend Quaker meetings, if you ever visit a Christian place of worship. No priest involved.

yeah uhm.... this should not be a debate about what religion is the best...the name " the ULTIMATE religion thread" was a phrase for the religion thread being the best. not the best religion

Why is Christian and Roman Catholic separate? I thought that Roman Catholics were Christians.
And caboose is right, you can't claim that any religion is singly the best. That's unrealistic at best.

each religion is equal , each one has these in common:
1. each one was started by one person convincing others that he/she was right about their beliefs

2. eah one hates the other religion and thinks they wl go to hell or deserve to die

3. damned french

4. each religion takes profit from the believers

5. each one wants to dominate the other

each religion is equal , each one has these in common:
1. each one was started by one person convincing others that he/she was right about their beliefs

2. eah one hates the other religion and thinks they wl go to hell or deserve to die

3. damned french

4. each religion takes profit from the believers

5. each one wants to dominate the other

Your absolutely uneducated and false in all but one of those: damned french. lol But other than that your stating your opinion as fact. Don't, this is a debate. State logical evidence why you believe these things to be true and leave it at that.

each religion is equal , each one has these in common:
1. each one was started by one person convincing others that he/she was right about their beliefs

2. eah one hates the other religion and thinks they wl go to hell or deserve to die

3. damned french

4. each religion takes profit from the believers

5. each one wants to dominate the other
That's a bit uneducated, and a very broad overgeneralization.

think a out it...youll figure out its true...each one think its the best , and mst religions actually all of them truthfully think that every other religion is wrong....and the french suck..... and for profit , its either church comunion , or asking for funds for a new chruch. and then as for the power thing...each one would rather be the only religion around.

think a out it...youll figure out its true...each one think its the best , and mst religions actually all of them truthfully think that every other religion is wrong....and the french suck..... and for profit , its either church comunion , or asking for funds for a new chruch. and then as for the power thing...each one would rather be the only religion around.


This isn't worth anyones time without a logical and educated argument. (Your argument is neither)

Your absolutely uneducated and false in all but one of those: damned french. lol But other than that your stating your opinion as fact. Don't, this is a debate. State logical evidence why you believe these things to be true and leave it at that.Some religions seek to impose their will on others - not all.

Christians or Islamists might try to convert someone, where as a Bhudist wouldn't bother.

Some religions seek to impose their will on others - not all.

Christians or Islamists might try to convert someone, where as a Bhudist wouldn't bother.

If he stated it the way you just did then I'd be jiggy. He shared his view in absolutes.

well how about you think abut it? hmm? here...lemme explain...

in iraq , islams kill jews and hatetheir guts because they have different religions.

in america and rome , catholics probably dont agree with christians and think they are wrong.

johava's witnesses walk aroun dtrying to convert others

and in every religion they believe that their religion is the tright one and the other religions are wrong. its truth. no joke

and other things that ive heard about and read about over my years. dont dismiss my statements as lies unless you think about all the things i say. try it sometime

Back to what HEX and Vkx stated about atheism.. well I'm also pretty comfortable with it.
Yeah, once in a while the typical Christian will scowl at me for it, but it isn't a big deal.
We are probably considered demons.. according to the Bible, non believers are corrupt and our ways are vile. A friend told me that we were all just as equally vile, so I kinda think the Bible is contradicting itself on that thought.
Altogether, I feel fine with my current mental status...

which iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssss?

anyway... everyone is evil and angry and perverted and demonic and gay...its just "to what extent?"

I said what I was. Atheist. That is my mental status.

well how about you think abut it? hmm? here...lemme explain...

in iraq , islams kill jews and hatetheir guts because they have different religions.

in america and rome , catholics probably dont agree with christians and think they are wrong.

johava's witnesses walk aroun dtrying to convert others

and in every religion they believe that their religion is the tright one and the other religions are wrong. its truth. no joke

and other things that ive heard about and read about over my years. dont dismiss my statements as lies unless you think about all the things i say. try it sometime


I never voiced any disrespect like you are doing now. You are only talking about a few religions right now and you are stating absolutes when in reality every religion is unique and all cannot be judged by such a formula that you are using now. I am not starting anything I am merely telling you that I think you are being narrow minded. I can say that without being disrespectful.

I never voiced any disrespect like you are doing now. You are only talking about a few religions right now and you are stating absolutes when in reality every religion is unique and all cannot be judged by such a formula that you are using now. I am not starting anything I am merely telling you that I think you are being narrow minded. I can say that without being disrespectful.
and i can plainly say you are being ignorant (not an insult...just means you dont know something)..... think....actually think...about the past , the present , and the future... thin of all the deaths due to religion..think of the hate crimes due to religion conflicts , think of the insults , think of the unprovokec hatred due to religions...then tell me im wrong. i might not be that religious but u know my history...and history claims and proves that religion is dangerous and each religion has and allways will try to be the best one no matter what.

Back to what HEX and Vkx stated about atheism.. well I'm also pretty comfortable with it.
Yeah, once in a while the typical Christian will scowl at me for it, but it isn't a big deal.
We are probably considered demons.. according to the Bible, non believers are corrupt and our ways are vile. A friend told me that we were all just as equally vile, so I kinda think the Bible is contradicting itself on that thought.
Altogether, I feel fine with my current mental status...

Thats sad. We're all equally vile. The bible doesn't contradict in that regard. People who claim to be all self reighteous will contradict the bible however, and I think that that's where many christians go oh so very wrong. Just for the record for what its worth, Jesus never said follow my disciples he said follow me. My point is there will always be dumbass christians or those who claim to be but that doesn't reflect chrisitanity itself.

and i can plainly say you are being ignorant (not an insult...just means you dont know something)..... think....actually think...about the past , the present , and the future... thin of all the deaths due to religion..think of the hate crimes due to religion conflicts , think of the insults , think of the unprovokec hatred due to religions...then tell me im wrong. i might not be that religious but u know my history...and history claims and proves that religion is dangerous and each religion has and allways will try to be the best one no matter what.

lol, think for a moment. Think of all the atrocities that the naturalistic view has resulted in. And again your not understanding what I'M saying. I agree with some of what your saying but your dealing with ABSOLUTES where there is none. YES there are some that fit into your dissection but most DON'T. Understand that before you turn on me.

i dont turn on people...i try to correct them... everyone knows im not talking about everyone...if i was... i would say EVER jewish guy thinks christianity is wrong and stupid...but i say jewish people think christianity is wrong and stupid (just an example ppl!!! no bad rep!!) so its obvious i dont mean everyone... but if it means that much to you...ill include saying SOME or MOST in my statements

funny to read how caboose post such crap, he doesn't know what he is talking about..

hmm. i dont orive me wrong then... back-up your words...prove me that history hasnt shown that religion is dangerous and that some religions want other religions dead and that some religions think the other religions are wrong.

prove it... or just admit your taking the side of another mod. (not bringing you into this malicious. just trying to see if he can back up his words)

hmm. i dont orive me wrong then... back-up your words...prove me that history hasnt shown that religion is dangerous and that some religions want other religions dead and that some religions think the other religions are wrong.

prove it... or just admit your taking the side of another mod. (not bringing you into this malicious. just trying to see if he can back up his words)


caboose, dude, your not listening. we're not denying that some religions have caused violence. Your simply not communicating in a way where people respect your argument.

ah i see.... well........hmmmmmmmm..... im not going to dance around the ideas...i just go out and say it....if others dont like how i just go out and say things...well then they need to calmly pm me...not insult me (devine... im also adressing you) and think im just spurting nonsense... its not cool.ok?
anyway...like i said before...for high-schoolers school is a religion.

religion doesnt hurt ppl, its the ppl who are religious nutters (Osama bin Laden, people like that) that hurt ppl

well i know that this will cause a big debate (which i've faced in the original halo2boards), but my religion is Jedi. anyone gonna say anything?

Jedi is cool, you just have to believe in the Force.

Also, about the Atheist being called a Heathen or whatever by religions, we dont give a damn! We live with it, learn to ignore it, and sometimes even have a godo laugh at it.
I laugh when someone posts "You're all going to hell, you unbelievers!", for example.
Atheism is the easiest mindset, and you can pay out whatever religion you want! Although i try to restrain myself from that...

ye but u dont just have to believe in the Force, you need to stand for what you think is right (even if it means that you're gonna get your face rearranged lol), it also includes helping those that cant help themselves

Jedi is cool, you just have to believe in the Force.

Also, about the Atheist being called a Heathen or whatever by religions, we dont give a damn! We live with it, learn to ignore it, and sometimes even have a godo laugh at it.
I laugh when someone posts "You're all going to hell, you unbelievers!", for example.
Atheism is the easiest mindset, and you can pay out whatever religion you want! Although i try to restrain myself from that...
You're a fool if you scowl at anyone else's religion. All any person can do is believe and hope they are right.

*peeks out of fingers* oh! nobody's trashing me anymore!!! yes!

jedi is a great religion..... just watch out for god...(aka darth vader lol) because hell kick your ass anfd theres nothing you can do to his 7 foot 2" , asthmatic ass! lol

and as for religion causig wafr....its mainly religion.. some of it is religion actually...MOST of it is the maniacs of religion.

as for me...american nuetralists unite!! dont mess or youll get pwned faster than hiroshima!

It's aganist god to say my religion is best. So all religions are equal. But which one is fun is up to you to decide.

jedi-ism seems really fun.

Ok, I can no longer stand it; The poll is driving me insane, because Catholic and Roman Catholic should go under the heading Christian because it's all the same thing.

And jedi seems cool. If a little strange...

well they are different rligious groups with mostly the same ideas.... just christianity is alittle more laid back...not that whole "anything you do that doesnt involve being a good person is a sin!!!" shit.

hmm. i dont orive me wrong then... back-up your words...prove me that history hasnt shown that religion is dangerous and that some religions want other religions dead and that some religions think the other religions are wrong.

prove it... or just admit your taking the side of another mod. (not bringing you into this malicious. just trying to see if he can back up his words)
So be it kiddo.. You posted this earlier..

each religion is equal , each one has these in common:
1. each one was started by one person convincing others that he/she was right about their beliefs

2. eah one hates the other religion and thinks they wl go to hell or deserve to die

3. damned french

4. each religion takes profit from the believers

5. each one wants to dominate the other

First off each religion is not equal, and they don't convince people that they are right about their beliefs, some religions don't care whether you believe or not believe out there.

Second, In the Middle East, religion is probably a main factor of War, since you have Israel and other places around it, but here, there are all kinds of churches, its not like we are making war with our own country.. Here it is different, over there, that isn't the case, but I am not gonna go kill an atheist or a Jehovah Witness because I don't believe what he/she believes.. It is more of a disagreement.

Third, yes there are French, but I don't have a problem with em really.. You might, but I am sure you eat French fries alot so yeah.. They are just as bad as you are, we are all equal..

Fourth, Churches DON'T Take money, it is the person who attends the church who has the choice of putting money in the plate as an offering. If you were forced to pay, I doubt people would go.. But an "OFFERING" is a donation or tithe given by people who feel the need to give.. They don't fuckin steal your money..

Fifth, Each one wants to dominate the other, well it is more of the lines of disagreement, there again, USA is for the most part a Christian nation some what, but guess what, we help other countries from other beliefs than ours, because it is right.. We didn't go to war with Afghanistan because they are mainly Muslim, we went to war for payback from 9-11... Which is an example.. Again, I am not gonna go assassinate HEX, or anybody else on this thread since they are atheist... It is just stupid..


By the way, why would I take side by a mod when I AM a mod??? thats retarded??? LMAO dude seriously, stop bringing up excuses since your wrong..

Ok, I can no longer stand it; The poll is driving me insane, because Catholic and Roman Catholic should go under the heading Christian because it's all the same thing.

And jedi seems cool. If a little strange...
yeah, that or they should change christian to christian protestant.

first of all buddy...im no kid...if i was...whay the hell would i be in highschool? and if your out of high school....why the HELL would you be on a gaming forum site? weirdo.

and some of my veiws might not agree with what you believe...so you shun me and insult me like i just burned your house down? THATS what happens most the time (i said MOST moody...not ALL the time) with religion...

i say each religion wants to overcome the other...its semi-true. there are MANY wars (whethe you know it or not) there were great conflicts due to religion... wanna know the TRUE reason of the mayflower and america? it was beause the catholics shunned christianity and killed and arrested all those who practiced it. but eventually we won.... but the catholics still dont like christianity.

now about me saying they take money is this simple reason....the payers believe if they put money in the collection bowl or whatever they call it...it cleanses them of sins or something..im too tired to think about religious things.

i say "damned french" because i frankly dont like the way most french people believe (do research...its true) thier country is better than all the others...so they make fun of other countries and laugh at our ways. and they are obnoxious.

and frankly...i dont like the way you seem to have a "superiority" way of talking.... that post was kinda mean towards me...understand me when i say yo are welcome to your veiws... but p.m.ing would be abit better.

now i was kinda glad that nobody seemed to react to my last post...so i thought they forgot about it and the insults would stop...bt you just HAD to bring it up! we were having a nice conversation about fun religions...now were bakc to square one...so if you have something to say to me... om me... dont drag me into this long debate .... now i look like an idiot for posting such a long comment. damnit

first of all buddy...im no kid...if i was...whay the hell would i be in highschool? and if your out of high school....why the HELL would you be on a gaming forum site? weirdo.

and some of my veiws might not agree with what you believe...so you shun me and insult me like i just burned your house down? THATS what happens most the time (i said MOST moody...not ALL the time) with religion...

i say each religion wants to overcome the other...its semi-true. there are MANY wars (whethe you know it or not) there were great conflicts due to religion... wanna know the TRUE reason of the mayflower and america? it was beause the catholics shunned christianity and killed and arrested all those who practiced it. but eventually we won.... but the catholics still dont like christianity.

now about me saying they take money is this simple reason....the payers believe if they put money in the collection bowl or whatever they call it...it cleanses them of sins or something..im too tired to think about religious things.

i say "damned french" because i frankly dont like the way most french people believe (do research...its true) thier country is better than all the others...so they make fun of other countries and laugh at our ways. and they are obnoxious.

and frankly...i dont like the way you seem to have a "superiority" way of talking.... that post was kinda mean towards me...understand me when i say yo are welcome to your veiws... but p.m.ing would be abit better.

now i was kinda glad that nobody seemed to react to my last post...so i thought they forgot about it and the insults would stop...bt you just HAD to bring it up! we were having a nice conversation about fun religions...now were bakc to square one...so if you have something to say to me... om me... dont drag me into this long debate .... now i look like an idiot for posting such a long comment. damnit
CATHOLICISM IS CHRISTIANITY!!! Btw, Catholics prosecuted Puritans for their religion, which led to the Massachusetts Bay Colony being founded. Plymouth and Jamestown were founded
by mercantile companies after getting royal permission(in the form of a corporate charter) from King James.

Sorry about that...history lesson anyone? My point is that Catholicism is Christianity.

oh i believe you man...just the fact that the catholics should have known that before they broke into houses , arrested and later killed christian families , then burnt the houses down...this type of brutality is horrible...and a little fact... it still happens in the south random violents of anger towards difference. but the only reason it doesnt happen in america is because our glorious founding fathers made a law allowing us to believe whatever we want with no hatred or violence!

so before ppl start to mock me and think they iz superior...just look backc into history...i get most of my info from the past.

oh i believe you man...just the fact that the catholics should have known that before they broke into houses , arrested and later killed christian families , then burnt the houses down...this type of brutality is horrible...and a little fact... it still happens in the south random violents of anger towards difference. but the only reason it doesnt happen in america is because our glorious founding fathers made a law allowing us to believe whatever we want with no hatred or violence!

so before ppl start to mock me and think they iz superior...just look backc into history...i get most of my info from the past.
they did stupid things back then.

and still do now.

exactly...i try to explain that... but when i try to use examples it rebounds off the wall into a boot in my crouch... but oh well...my word is heard and certainly appreciated because only 2 people have said anything negative about what ive typed..... nobody else..... so thats good....i think

and stupidity will never be extinct. its part of everyone's DNA...it makes us human and corruptable and stupid....but we survive...thats good enough for now.

exactly...i try to explain that... but when i try to use examples it rebounds off the wall into a boot in my crouch... but oh well...my word is heard and certainly appreciated because only 2 people have said anything negative about what ive typed..... nobody else..... so thats good....i think

and stupidity will never be extinct. its part of everyone's DNA...it makes us human and corruptable and stupid....but we survive...thats good enough for now.
kinda reminds me of the KKK. racial descrimination.

wait...what?!?!?!?!?! im like the KKK?!?!?!?!? o_0

or do you mean the anger towards difference in the world?

wait...what?!?!?!?!?! im like the KKK?!?!?!?!? o_0

or do you mean the anger towards difference in the world?
i'm not saying you are like them...i was saying that what the catholics did to puritans during the 1600's is kinda like what the KKK does to african americans and people who side with them.

oh ok then.... lol turns out IM a puritan!!! ^^

im a direct relative of william bruster...he was kinda like the leader of the first mayflower group.... and he was basically like the priest... and he became basiccally the leader and helped build one of the biggest settlements and indian friendship...... so i guess me not being a total christian is basically like kicking him in the face....sorry great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great, (5 hours later) great,great,great,great,great grandad!

oh ok then.... lol turns out IM a puritan!!! ^^

im a direct relative of william bruster...he was kinda like the leader of the first mayflower group.... and he was basically like the priest... and he became basiccally the leader and helped build one of the biggest settlements and indian friendship...... so i guess me not being a total christian is basically like kicking him in the face....sorry great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great, (5 hours later) great,great,great,great,great grandad!
he doesn't sound familiar....which colony? jamestown or plymouth?

i think plymoth...if not...maybe jamestown....lol thanksgiving they had a history channel thing and it described william bruster (or bruester...i forget) alot...he was like a real important figure...he was on the first difficult voyage..... look it up on google if you want.

heres a link that i think is correct. theres alot of info on my relative!! my grandfather has a friend...and her friend finds family trees...research and all that..so she made one for my grandpa on my mom'z side.... turns out yeah...im related to william brewster... puritan ftw!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brewster_(Pilgrim)

oh wait...it was plymoth...my relative was the elder of the group...he was the religious leader and advisor to the mayor.....and apparently he evaded arrest a number of times and printed religious books whit his partner with his oartner's printing press...he left on the mayflower after the english embassador of england pressured the athorties to arrest brewster's partner....

this type of discrimination still goes on today! racial discrimination AND religious discrimination

You're a fool if you scowl at anyone else's religion. All any person can do is believe and hope they are right.
I did not say I scowl at others' religions, i said i found them funny.
They can believe they are doing what is right, but that doesnt mean it is right from my point of veiw. I find it strange the way Christians take the bible so seriously.
For example, a couple of atheists came up with the idea of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, to show christians how seriously us Atheists took their Bible; you replace every mention of God with the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and you'll see how seriously I take the Bible.

I was actually referring to the usage of "heathen", Hex.

eh....... im starting to think im making my ancestor turn in his grave by not being a christian....lol he fought for years to make christianity throuh england and then america...and to think that his descendant left christianity.....if there is a heaven and i go there.im gonna get a seriouse ass-kicking lol

I was actually referring to the usage of "heathen", Hex.
How did i use the word "Heathen" wrongly? I'm an atheist, therefore i am heathen! :)
Besides, its what the "Which level of hell are you going to" test thing told me i am. Hooray for Heresy!

How did i use the word "Heathen" wrongly? I'm an atheist, therefore i am heathen! :)
Besides, its what the "Which level of hell are you going to" test thing told me i am. Hooray for Heresy!
...I was referring to the people who use heathen as a pejorative.

if im apuritan..does that mean im automatically going to heaven? if so...then i guess yay if it exists.... and boo because im gonna have to face my overly-christian ancestors ....crap

and like i said before..i believe every religion is equal

...I was referring to the people who use heathen as a pejorative.
ah, ok. I like the word, though. it suits me. :D

hmm...ehh.... not in my line of interesting words. but still great

Heh, today in school, my history teacher asked the class to raise their hand if they belive in God, I was the only one with my hand not raised. Everybody looked at me like I'm a freak and my friend made a joke saying "Hey man, roll with Christ or I'll have to beat you down!" It was helarious; when everybody asked me why I didn't belive in god, I just shrugged and they all thought I had some disease or something. What up wit dat??

Heh, today in school, my history teacher asked the class to raise their hand if they belive in God, I was the only one with my hand not raised. Everybody looked at me like I'm a freak and my friend made a joke saying "Hey man, roll with Christ or I'll have to beat you down!" It was helarious; when everybody asked me why I didn't belive in god, I just shrugged and they all thought I had some disease or something. What up wit dat??
I tried explaining my beliefs to someone who asked if I believed in God a few days ago, and they responded with: "Why don't you just straighten up and be a Christian?".

:p

you should have answered " when you pray..does anything happen? no. if you die..are you ultimately sure that you just dont see black for all eternity and get eaten by maggots? id rather not believe than give my hopes up for just to end up being a corpse in the ground"

that would shut them up lol

People are assholes some times. Just because I'm an Athiest, some people assume that I'm going to be a jackass and say "OMG YOUR DUMM! U B LEVE IN GAQWD! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WUT A DUMASZZZiI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DDU u BE LEEV IN ORKX AND PONEEZZ AND GOBLUNZ TUOOU!!!!!!!!!!! WuT A STUPED PRIK!"

Ahh, that was painful.

you should have answered " when you pray..does anything happen? no. if you die..are you ultimately sure that you just dont see black for all eternity and get eaten by maggots? id rather not believe than give my hopes up for just to end up being a corpse in the ground"

that would shut them up lol
A cynically-logical statement. I like that. :p

hey...im a great guy with a great sense of humor and tolerance...but i can be hurtful and mercilous when i want to be lol

People are assholes some times. Just because I'm an Athiest, some people assume that I'm going to be a jackass and say "OMG YOUR DUMM! U B LEVE IN GAQWD! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WUT A DUMASZZZiI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DDU u BE LEEV IN ORKX AND PONEEZZ AND GOBLUNZ TUOOU!!!!!!!!!!! WuT A STUPED PRIK!"

Ahh, that was painful.
Come to Australia, where no one gives a damn! :)
We are so laid back that we dont even get ASKED if we believe in god, because no one cares if you do or not. Most of my friends are atheists or agnostics, or resentfully have religion forced upon them by their family (only one guy, though).
Debates over whether god exists generally end up with "Alright, we're both right, just shut up before my brain melts!"
Then we move on to debating whether reality is "Real", and that involves a lot of neurons frying...
Americans are too religios, in my opinion. I'm not saying religion is bad, it just interferes with some things too much.

Come to Australia, where no one gives a damn! :)
We are so laid back that we dont even get ASKED if we believe in god, because no one cares if you do or not. Most of my friends are atheists or agnostics, or resentfully have religion forced upon them by their family (only one guy, though).
Debates over whether god exists generally end up with "Alright, we're both right, just shut up before my brain melts!"
Then we move on to debating whether reality is "Real", and that involves a lot of neurons frying...
Americans are too religios, in my opinion. I'm not saying religion is bad, it just interferes with some things too much.

I got a thought; what if hell is what we are in now? What if we have a whole past life that we didn't remember at all? And every time this world reaches 2012, we all die and it starts all over again. Personally for me, that would be hell. But seriously, to quote from Halo, GoO, how do we know that we're alive. What proof do we have? A beating heart? Breathing? What if it's an illusion Sation placed upon us so that we don't know that we're in hell; but we really are? None of my christian friends have thought of that.

Also; when you're an Athiest, you don't really have religious pressure on you. If YOU think it's right; you can do it for you and not because God says it's good. That is why I support Atheism.

im seriously the only person that voted agnostic.. i really dont belive in one thing inparticular.. i think that there is something out there that is way bigger than anything else.. something that is responsible for everything that happens in this universe.. but its nothing in particular.. and its not really a bid deal for me to find out

well for religion i dont give a damn... even though the "not knowing what happens" thing scares the hell outta me... think , you die... do you only see darkness? do you go to heaven? hell ? or you get reincarnated , or does...nothing happen... think of darkness like your eyes are closed , then think of not even seeing darkness , you die and nothing ,you feel nothing you hear nothing , ..........nothing......not even dark and light.

well for religion i dont give a damn... even though the "not knowing what happens" thing scares the hell outta me... think , you die... do you only see darkness? do you go to heaven? hell ? or you get reincarnated , or does...nothing happen... think of darkness like your eyes are closed , then think of not even seeing darkness , you die and nothing ,you feel nothing you hear nothing , ..........nothing......not even dark and light.

Intresting; but I think that it's impossible to not exist; if you are dead, your dead body still exists, if it rots, your remains still exist, your DNA and your children and the memories will live on no matter who you are. As for the death thing; maybe you just become a spirit in Karma like Obi Wan.

yeah.. but if ouve felt the feeling of dread ive felt thinking about that and imagining how it feels.... you would understand why man invented the gods and science...its scary not knowing and we need something to tern to for comfort and for a chance to understand the un-understandable

I just know i'd like to see what happens when you die. If there is an afterlife, then i'll (hopefully) be fine. i try not to be "sinful", aka Moralistic, most of the time.
If we just die, stop, and our minds just dont do anything anymore, then im fine with that. Sure, i'll try and stave off death for a long as possible without ending up in an old folkes home, but after that its all unknown.

I go by Athiest logic; we die, and then in time we become a tree.

i just think theres something else out there.. like something supernatural. idk.. religion is something that gets debated everyday.. this is probably the best thread on this site... props

stilll its scary not knowing

ive decided to adopt another religion, the way of the Clans (from BattleTech for those in the know)... baisicly, waste nothing, and be brutally honorable.

stilll its scary not knowing
I know perfectly well what will happen: I will die, and my body will rot undeground, and the worms will be fed. :D

or were reincarnated back into another human form. you die, then all of a sudden, your five years old again!

if it worked that way dont you think you'd tell someone that you reincarnated?.. lol i dont think they'd live a life or secrecy(sorry for the misspell)

i believe i was a conscious living human being back in the past but since i don't have absolute knowledge of this, i don't go around saying im a reincarnated man who fought back in vietnam. simply a belief.

hmmm.. in a way i kinda think that..

like i see alot of stuff that makes me belive that i've seen the scenario before.. like deja vu.. its really weird.. i see where you coming from

plus you probably wouldnt remember the previous life as your actual body (containing memories etc) rots away...

Or, maybe, you are reincarnated as yourself, which is why you get the occasional sense of Deja Vu.
However, i'll only believe that if i see it...

yea.. and no one has any way of proving that it could really happen.. its so weird to think about

i always have deja vu just about every weekhmm

Maybe its when the space between alternate realities gets so thin that you could walk between them (if you figured out how), and some stuff crosses over from one into the other...
Or maybe thats a load of crap. :D

Probably. Or maybe we turn into ghosts and just fly around seeing what our loved ones are up to.

or maybe we go into limbo and party for all eternity lol...did you know (no joke...done research..actual fact) that the mormans believe the angels who didnt fight the army of satan... *quote from mormon church cartoon* " their skin was tainted black and that is how the mormons believe the black race was made" ..... kinda messed up =/

What do you guys think of The Church of Scientology?

-The Sk

urhm....the fact that they think that no god or big bang...just aliens or something created us is abit weird...seems like a cult to me.

but by all means i wont get in the way of your beliefs...... but it never really made sense to me about how they think we were created or the universe....... explination?

It's not closed vkx.


-Ghilliemarine

I thought you meant another thread, and this really doesn't fall under the topic of if there is a God or not... it's a debate on which religon people follow...

ugh it was a dark time when people posted on this. im sure this thread was one of the leaders of people leaving the site...... to man debated flaring new hatreds and arguements. i think i first started fighting with malicious nun after he yelled at me fro something on here. and god knows that didnt end well...


but sure ill step into the firing range again if this thread ocntinues. gives people stuff to do.

gives people stuff to do.Exactly why it wasn't closed the first time

-Ghilliemarine

yeah lol.

still if i hadn't fought with malicious for sooo many months he wouldnt even have recognized me.... and i wouldnt be a mod today. so i guess out of bad comes good............ even though SOME people treat it like it was a joke :( . but then again THEY werent given moderator postion and I was lol.

Caboose, how come you never post in the Privat Council Forum?

give me a link to it........ i try posting but since i took malicious nun's place...... i think im only a submod.

and i can't find it.

and some places i look it won't let me post at times

Hippie's been trying to contact the chief about it, just do what you can for now.

......i didnt see a LINK to that thread you mentioned!!! really i might be able to see it let alone post so give me the link

Use this thread, guys.

how 'bout go to hell shakira? (lol scrubs)


nah im sure we are all done throwing religion punches heheh.