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B1ack Dragon 9
07-03-2008, 12:48 PM
If it is real, is it really dangerous? Does Mother Nature have a way of fixing herself, or does Earth become as desolate as Mars.

My thoughts: I'm not a scientist, but I did take a Life Science class in 6th grade, and an Earth Science class in 7th grade. I seem to remember some simple things.

1) The Earth's surface is made up mostly of water.
2) When water heats up, the molecules move faster in larger areas, thus creating steam.
3) Steam, or water vapor become clouds.
4) Clouds are white.
5) White reflects heat.

So my simple conclusion is that, even if Global Warming exists, won't it eventually just turn the clouds to steam, and subsequently the steam will reflect the heat from the sun, thus cooling the Earth until such clouds turn to rain? What am I missing? I think Mother Nature will correct herself...maybe I need more advanced science classes. I'm certainly not just going to sit here and take Al Gore's word for it that we are all doomed.

Prophet Of Satire
07-03-2008, 03:25 PM
The most dangerous parts are going to be the massive flooding, rapid climate change, and rapid tide change on Earth.

B1ack Dragon 9
07-03-2008, 03:32 PM
The most dangerous parts are going to be the massive flooding, rapid climate change, and rapid tide change on Earth.
Which is worse? Massive Flooding or Massive Drought. Guess it depends on what the inhabitants of those areas are capable of surviving through. Parts of the Middle East, Africa and India certainly have a lot of people living through massive drought. I wonder why they stay? Patriotism for their land?

I live in Florida, even if I survive a Flood, I'll have to deal with Alligators and/or eventually sea life such as Sharks. And even if I make it past them, OJ Simpson lives in Florida now. Gore was right, I'm doomed.

vkx
07-03-2008, 04:02 PM
You're missing a big part in your formula. Greenhouse gasses. The green house effect is when an object lets heat go into it, but not out. There are gasses with this property and it is produced by Fossil fuels; which we use all the time. This is putting greenhouse gasses throughout the earth, trapping the sun's heat inside the planet; eventually causing mass flood. And the earth looses a portion of heat each year; so if we don't do anything about Global Warming, the Earth will be nothing but a frozen iceball in a couple billion years.

Young Bhamid
07-09-2008, 02:38 PM
All of you are missing a lot of things but vkx has the best understanding (except for the frozen icebal bit and the 2 billion years bit). I cannot be bothered to post all the factors involved in destroying the earth because that would fill a book, but ill say this: the effects of global warming (flooding, doughts and possibly frozen temperatures in the case for western europe because of the gulf stream shutting down due to the ice in Canada melting and disrupting it) will destabalize the world economy and the results of it will end in something like nuclear war or human returning to cave-man types and nature will heal itself before humans cause any more damage to the earth. Theres a book out called the last generation, its pretty good and detailed about global warming or 'climate change'.

PWNAGE-pb
07-09-2008, 03:21 PM
Personally I think its all BS, atleast at this day in age. The Earth has gone through climate changes countless times (Without humans having civilzation btw...) in its lifetime; this "warming" is nothing out of the ordinary.

If it was happening, there is no way it would affect us so quickly. It would have to take some time. As many years as 2 billion? Probably not, but a couple thousand or million maybe.

If "Global Warming" IS actually happening.. I believe we have nothing to worry about in our lifetimes.

Prophet Of Satire
07-09-2008, 03:35 PM
All of you are missing a lot of things but vkx has the best understanding (except for the frozen icebal bit and the 2 billion years bit). I cannot be bothered to post all the factors involved in destroying the earth because that would fill a book, but ill say this: the effects of global warming (flooding, doughts and possibly frozen temperatures in the case for western europe because of the gulf stream shutting down due to the ice in Canada melting and disrupting it) will destabalize the world economy and the results of it will end in something like nuclear war or human returning to cave-man types and nature will heal itself before humans cause any more damage to the earth. Theres a book out called the last generation, its pretty good and detailed about global warming or 'climate change'.
Man's return to hunter-gatherer groups wouldn't be the worst thing, as long as we still have the intelligence from today. Hunting-gathering was the closest thing to communism in prehistory, and because it wasn't restricted by economy, it was fine. Man's nutritional problems would be over. And respect for Mother Earth would grow infinitely with the destruction of wasters. (And no, I'm not green or liberal, you imbeciles. Study up on the well-being and natural harmonious state of the hunter-gatherers before you spout off claims about my environmental positions.)

PWNAGE-pb
07-09-2008, 08:30 PM
Lol.. who called you green?
Personally I would hate it if man returned to the hunter-gatherer groups. Always having to move... "follow the animals!" etc.
I don't know exactly how it would result in nuclear war unless a country or countries was/were blamed for the global warming.

Move inland imo!

vkx
07-09-2008, 08:52 PM
PWNAGE, it's that type of attitude we can't have. Everyone's going "Oh, it's not OUR problem, so let's ignore it!"

Sure, it won't be our problem, but it could be our children's children's children who pay for it afterwards. Global warming is a real problem. The hole in the Ozone is begger than it's ever been right now, and if we don't do anything aobut it, we could have a real problem on our hands in a couple thousand years. Sure we won't have to face it, but the later generations will.

PWNAGE-pb
07-09-2008, 09:01 PM
Okay. But how would you change the minds of BILLIONS?
You can't prove global warming to the global population. There will always be people who don't buy it. There is already a big fuss about the matter, but do you see ANY less cars on the streets? No. I don't. People obviously don't care. I'm not saying that I don't, I really don't think its that huge of a problem but I'm not going to drive an SUV or a Semi around all the time.

But anyway, look at Earth's past. There have been many changes in global climate over the 4.5 billion years. There hasn't been one in the history of humanity, but maybe it is happening now? The Ice Age certainly didn't come around because of pollution...

vkx
07-09-2008, 10:13 PM
The world is ignorant. But getting one person to know the truth is good. The thing is, we have sientific proof that what we're doing is bad for the world. It's even been estimated that if we continue to do things the way we're doing them, the ice caps are predicted to drastically melt by around 2012(woah, what a couincidence). So even though we have proof that we're ruining the world; people just don't want to believe it and ignore it entirley.

PWNAGE-pb
07-09-2008, 10:21 PM
All in all, though, it is an estimate. Even if it does happen.. it eventually would anyway.
Look at the Ice Age.. all that ice melted, and Humans continued to live. lol. Bad reference..

danimal rescue squad
07-10-2008, 12:59 AM
yeah, i was going to say that, but i heard the earth goes through a natural cycling of heating and cooling. the ice perhaps melted at a natural rate, while the gases we emit into the atmosphere is just speeding up this process. eh idk, just a thought.

Young Bhamid
07-10-2008, 11:40 AM
by carrying on the way we are, we are bringing the 'ice age' closer. Btw, it wont be an ice age age because we are currently in a interglacial period, so this is the warm time in between the ice ages. what we are doing will make the earth hotter. If we take steps to prevent global warming, the next time we are in this situation, we will have the technology to do other things such as evacuate to another planet, change the weather etc.

Countries such as Micronesia and Tuvalu are already evacuating their populations to other countries (In 2003 the Tuvalu government signed an agreement to evac their population to New Zealand).